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snyper
18 ( +1 | -1 )
Is this a known gambit? I saw it somewhere, but I forget where.
Its seems interesting but a little extreme for my taste.
1. e4 c5
2. d4 c5Xd4
3. c3 d4xc3
4. Bc4? c3xb2
5. Bc6xb2??
Would any one have any games with this opening?
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experiment2001
41 ( +1 | -1 )
Hm Not sure what this gambit is called but danish gambit starts with e4 e5 d4 exd etc etc and Bc1xb2 (not Bc6xb2 :)) so I guess it is just a configuration of it.
I would question your marking also. I doubt that 5.Bxb2 should be marked with ?? since it is not a loosing move, it is forced.
It's great in blitz but it has been widely examined and cannot be recommended for serious players (neither can the king's gambit :D).
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tulkos
20 ( +1 | -1 )
I beg to differ! the kings gambit has been played by high rated players for centuries with good results,with some of these players being grandmasters.thats serious chess,is it not?
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tulkos
9 ( +1 | -1 )
and take a look at some of brunetti's games. He is the highest rated player on gameknot and he plays the kings gambit very often.
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__mda__
8 ( +1 | -1 )
Smith-Morra Gambit 1. e4 c5
2. d4 cd
3. c3 dc
.. is the Smith-Morra Gambit.. 4. Bc4 isn't mentioned in my opening books, but has a big fat "?" in my opening database.
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experiment2001
48 ( +1 | -1 )
no comments about Brunetti and his ability but certainly there are better players around here.
I'm not saying KG is a bad opening, I'm only saying that I don't think that white has got enough compensation for the pawn.
KG is an aggressive opening and many games can be won within 12-15 moves. For blitz it is very good.
I should not be the one standing in the way for king's gambit since I do not have what it takes to refute the opening but many's opinion is that KG is for amateurs. I'm from that school also.
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philaretus
7 ( +1 | -1 )
snyper It's called the Morra Gambit -- a variation of the Sicilian Centre Gambit.
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__mda__
26 ( +1 | -1 )
well.. Morozevich ( rated ~ 2700 FIDE ) plays the King's Gambit, and he's one of the world's best. He beat Almasi ( rated 2644 FIDE ) with the white pieces in Monaco this year.
But I do agree that the KG is not a popular opening among top players.
pamela024
42 ( +1 | -1 )
It is a variation of the Sicilian, of course, although I am not sure it ever had a name. I believe it got some attention early in the last century after some brilliant wins but was soon refuted. It is now viewed as losing when anyone pays any attention to it at all. As __mda__ suggests it is similar to the Smith-Morra. And it is certainly not in the same category as the venerable King's Gambit, which is still used by a small group of leading OTB players.
atrifix
89 ( +1 | -1 )
It looks something like the Danish Gambit, however, Black has a better position because he can put a pawn on e6 and block the line of the bishop (and perhaps even play ...d5), whereas in the Danish he cannot.
Also, the KG is a perfectly good opening. It's been played very well by many good players that could hardly be considered amateurs. Most of the KG games are from 19th century chess because the KG seems to be less of a serious vie for the initiative than, say, the Sicilian or KID. Players often find a way to return the pawn for a good position in modern chess. However, the KG can hardly be considered refuted..you do not have what it takes to refute it, because, simply, no one does. Spassky was the most recent champion of the KG, but someone will probably come around and revive it again, as they always do. Just look at Kasparov's games with the Evans Gambit.
experiment2001
8 ( +1 | -1 )
pam Noone suggested that they were in the same category (KG and MorraG).
pamela024
7 ( +1 | -1 )
Do you have a citation for this Noone guy, because I would really like to see it!
experiment2001
snyper
23 ( +1 | -1 )
Found it! it IS the Danish Gambit! [C21] {Lopez}
www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/Hangar/5176/gallery/g_gal.htm
...and you can see it in PGN..
thanks everyone!
brobishkin
20 ( +1 | -1 )
Morra Gambit... I would agree with Phil, though the Bb5 throws a curve in the Variations... It does line up with the rare Danish Gambit but I would lean more towards the Morra Gambit...
Bro...
__mda__
7 ( +1 | -1 )
No it isn't It's definitely not the Danish Gambit. Black does not play c5 in the Danish.
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thegreatpolgar
13 ( +1 | -1 )
A quick Smith-Morra Gambit game!!
(B21) Sicilian Def.
e4-c5-d4-cxd4-c3-dxc3-Nxc3-e6-Bc4-a6-Nf3-Qc7-Bb3-Nc6-0-0-Bc5-Qe2-Nf6-Rd1-Ng4-Rf1-Nd4 and white loses Queen and resigns!!
thegreatpolgar
11 ( +1 | -1 )
Ups forget my previous post, i see the original post is another variation of the Smith-Morra Gambit......sorry
calmrolfe
63 ( +1 | -1 )
Danish Gambit Although I've only played some 20 or so games on this site I've twice had similar openings played against me. The only difference being that the opening was
1.e4 e5
2.d4 exd4
3.c3 d4xc3
4.Bc4 c3xb2
5.Bxb2
The basic theme seems the same as in your game.
The first game I won without difficulty as Black but in the second game (this time against against jbmac) I had to sail my Black ship through some very choppy waters indeed before finally wresting the initiative back from him in the late middle game.
In the right hands it can be a formidable opening...
Kind regards,
Cal
thegreatpolgar
40 ( +1 | -1 )
Here is 2 games with that variation...
Date 1972
White Wall
Black Monahan
e4-c5-d4-cxd4-c3-dxc3-Bc4-cxb2-Bxb2-d6-Nf3-e5-Nf3xe5-dxe5-Bc4xf7-Ke7-Ba3 and black resigns!!
Date 1981
White Vasseur
Black Nerrant
e4-c5-d4-cxd4-c3-dxc3-Bc4-cxb2-Bxb2-e6-Nf3-Nc6-0-0-Nf6-Nf2-Nxe4-Nxe4-d5-Bb5-dxe4-Ne5-Qc7-Qa4-Bd7-Rac1-Bd6-Nxd7-Bxh2-Kh1-Kxd7-Rfd1+-Bd6-Be5-Qb6-Bxd6 and black resigns!!
pamela024
25 ( +1 | -1 )
More recent game. 1. e4 c5 2. d4 cxd4 3. c3 dxc3 4. Bc4 cxb2 5. Bxb2 Nc6 6. Qf3 e6 7. Qg3 f6 8. Na3 Qa5+ 9. Qc3 Bb4 10. Ne2 Bxc3+ 11. Nxc3 Ne5 12. Be2 Ne7 13. O-0 N7c6 14. Nfd1 Qb6 15. Nab5 0-0 16. Ba3 Rd8 17. Rab1 Qa5 18. Rb3 a6 19. Nd4 Nxd4 20. Rxd4 b5 21. Bb4 Qb6 22. Rd1 Bb7 23. Ra3 a5 24. Be7 Re8 25. Nxb5 Rxe7 26. Rc3 Ba6 27. Nc7 Rc8 28. Bxa6 Rxc7 29. Rxc7 Qxc7 30. h3 Re8 31. f4 Qb6+ 32. Kh2 Qxa6 33. fxe5 fxe5 34. Rxd7 Rf8 35. g4 Qe2+ 36. Kg3 Qf2# Palmerton, W.-Ruelas, E., 1993.