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| Posted by ckholm uskidscompute.com 9/13/2008 05:10:37 Play online chess |  Subject: The Ideas Behind the Chess Openings, Reuben FineMessage: In one of his development of the centre game he suggest : 1. e4 e5 2. d4 exd4 3. Qxd4 Nc6 4. Qe3 Nf6 5. Nc3 Be7 6. Bd2 d5 7. exd5 Nxd5 8. Nxd5 Qxd5 9. Ne2 Bg4 10. Nf4 Qd7 11. f3 O-O-O ! 12. O-O-O Bf5 Why 11. ... O-O-O ! and why the blacks don't take the bishop ? Ok then they'd be uncastling but I think they could still win, couldn't they ? |
| Posted by chessnovice uskidscompute.com 9/13/2008 11:56:17 Play online chess | ... Message: 13. g3 Rhe8 14. Qxe8 Rxe8+ |
| Posted by ckholm uskidscompute.com 9/13/2008 14:15:29 Play online chess | Message: 12. fxg4 Bh4+ 13. Kd1 13. g3? is the silliest move. Anyway, thanks for answering. |
| Posted by chessnovice uskidscompute.com 9/13/2008 17:19:49 Play online chess | ... Message: Perhaps it's avoiding the threat of 12. ... Rhe8, a move even sooner. I guess I'll have to give it a closer look than I did. |
| Posted by tugger uskidscompute.com 9/13/2008 17:23:46 Play online chess | Message: 12. fxg4? Bh4+ 13. Kd1 Bg5 14. h4 R(h)e8 15. Qd3 Bxf4 16. Bxf4 Qe6 other lines seem to play in black's favour too, so 11... 0-0-0 makes perfect sense to me, it's a clever move designed to entice white to take the bishop. and well done white for spotting the danger, and castling quickly. |
| Posted by ionadowman uskidscompute.com 9/14/2008 01:07:33 Play online chess | In his monograph on the Centre Game... Message: Cheers, Ion |
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| Posted by ionadowman uskidscompute.com 9/15/2008 04:27:52 Play online chess | Fair question ... Message: 11.Be2 Nd4 looks rather unpleasant, inducing the bishop to move again: 12.Bd3. Against any other bishop move, Black just develops normally with 12.0-0-0. An illustration of what a nuisance the g4-B can be is this horrible possibility: 11.Bc4!? 0-0-0 12.Bxf7?? Bc5! 13.Qxc5?? Qxd2+ 14.Kf1 Qd1+ 15.Rxd1 Rxd1#. So, given the position at move 11, f2-f3 seems to be called for. After 11.f3 0-0-0 12.0-0-0 Black really does have to move the bishop. At liege in 1930 Frank Marshall tried to sac the thing by 12...Rhe8 against Sultan Khan, and got axed in 22 moves (13.fxg4 Bg5 14.Qf2 and already Marshall didn't have enough attack). Having said all that, both sides have other options, especially Black at move 4 and White at move 6. Cheers, Ion |
| Posted by tugger uskidscompute.com 9/17/2008 05:50:12 Play online chess | Message: absolutely, but it is possible that white was unaware of the danger until black player 0-0-0, then he analysed and realised he wasted a move! |
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