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Posted by loreta
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8/18/2006
09:51:19

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Subject: Extending repertoire for e4

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Coming to GK, for some reasons, I shortened my repertoire to minimum. As black to 1. e4 only 1. ... c6 (join MT: -> gameknot.com. Later I started to extend it to 1. ... e5 Tested in quick games many f7-f5 related variations - playing each for half or more of year:
- Schliemann of Ruy (e4e5 Nf3Nc6 Bb5f5) - have to test one more variation of it;
- Rousseau (e4e5 Nf3Nc6 Bc4f5);
- Calabrese (e4e5 Bc4f5);
- Latvian (e4e5 Nf3f5).

Decided to give-up... and to look to something sweet...
I reject sicilian in principle (e4c5), and French too (e4e6).
I don't like Pettroff (by my own nature; e4e5 Nf3Nf6); not attracted to Scandinavian (e4d5); don't rush to Alekhine (e4Nf6)...

Have you some idea to offer?!

Posted by kewms
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8/18/2006
11:34:53

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If you don't like the Sicilian or the French you're discarding a large chunk of the "standard" Black repertoire. In the chessgames.com database, 1....c5 and 1...e5 are by far the most commonly played responses, with either of them played more often than all other moves combined. 1...e6 is third most common.

So if you don't like any of those three, you're limiting your choices quite a bit.

Katherine

Posted by ionadowman
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8/18/2006
14:27:18

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You don't leave much available, loreta!

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You have, of course, the Pirc/Robatsch/Hippopotamus lines available.
Check out the Mini-tournament "Feustel"/"Hippopotamus"/Robatsch where the line 1.e4 g6 2.d4 Bg7 3.Nf3 b6 ... is being 'tested'.
Alternatively, there's the Caro-Kann. About that opening, I can't comment.
Cheers,
Ion
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Posted by ionadowman
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8/18/2006
15:01:50

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Oops...

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That's "Hippo"/"Feustel"/Robatsch.
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Posted by far1ey
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8/18/2006
18:08:36

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Why don't you like French or Sicilian? Maybe you just need to study the opening more and chose certain lines which suit you.
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The Scotch Opening, part 4: what does White do next? — Fashions come and go in chess. And this is is one that may well be on the way back. 4... Bc5 is one of Black's main options against the Scotch chess opening (1 e4 e5 2 Nf3 Nc6 3 d4 exd4 4 Nxd4). How should White continue? RB I've done a tiny bit of study on the Scotch and so am not quite the total novice I was when we began this survey. In fact, I've reached this position in a couple of recent casual games. I've tried both of White's two principal continuations here, 5 Nxc6 and 5 Be3 (5 Nb3 is less often seen). The first of these looks appealing for White: 5...dxc6 6 Qxd8+ Kxd8 puts an end to Black's castling ...
Posted by loreta
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8/18/2006
22:09:02

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I don't leave e5

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I don't leave at side any of these openings (including e5). I just search for some specific variation in them:
a) leaving litle changes for White to avoid it;
b) feel comfortably...
That is about e5 too - looking for new variation (different than listed)...
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Posted by ccmcacollister
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8/18/2006
22:29:25

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loreta ...

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WHY do you reject the French upon principles?
I think this is a key question for you, because IF you object to the French as blocking in the QB, well you can play Owens Defense and enjoy being even mroe delightfully cramped, admittedly not so much as in a Guimard French (but even THAT IM Alan Savage used to win an APCT championship).
On the otherhand, if you simply object to BEING immediately cramped, you simply Must add Owens to your objections. And play the Nimzovich defense, using 2...d5 when advisable, and enjoy that lovely Caro-like feeling of getting in d5 without having had to Say you actually played a Caro, or a Scandi for that matter !
(Which I think is Very important when there are still those of us not Quite sure who you are ... and might start thinking you just could p o s s i b l y be Anatoly Karpov if you Cant get yourself away from that CARO !!
So use Nimzovich and you can be behind in development for awhile, yet Choose to become cramped later if the mood changes. :)
I agree with you about the Sicilian tho. I am getting very tired of playing against 8 million Closed Sicilians a year, I must say; whether from a Closed Sicilian player or Morra player ... tho I give some moral points to the latter. :)
Nobody likes the Petroff except certain stuborn stoics who will wear the same shoes for 8 years on princple, as long as they stay solid. Much like the Petroff :)
{To them I say, You Think you know something we dont ... but take a look at Petroff the man. Where's HE at now, eh? Fine, buy some T-bills, avoid junk bonds and be happy, just Stop torturing all of US ! please :) }

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Posted by ccmcacollister
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8/18/2006
22:41:53

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On the other hand ...

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Petroff players ARE noted for their fine sense of humour, and lets fact it, your used to it right? So plz remember that, and know that in penance I am playing it every possible chance tonight myself ... if they can get to it after 1.d4
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Loreta, I've noticed that bit about playing ...e5 too, Anatoly. :)
}8-)

Posted by loreta
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8/19/2006
00:13:07

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Finding...

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ccmcacollister, I found interesting thoughts in your postings... They lead me to some finding - Philidor! e4e5 Nf3d6 - what opinion about it?!

Posted by ganstaman
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8/19/2006
00:41:33

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Philidor

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Before tonight I thought the Philidor was fully playable, in fact quite fun. It's solid and sets up a good defense, yet it doesn't ignore offensive potential either. Here's a site with some good info, though it suggests a different move order: -> www.vanrekom.nl

But as I found out tonight, it starts off very cramped and can fall into oh so many traps. The first 5 or 6 moves need to be chosen with extreme care (and not at 2 or 3 in the morning). If white plays e4, Nf3, d4, and Bc4, he has the near constant threat of playing Bxf7+, followed either by Ng5+ and Ne6 (then ...Qe8, Nxc7, ...Qg6, Nxa8, ...Qxg2 and it gets crazy), or dxe5 and Nxe5+ (with potential discovered attacks on the black queen or whatever).

I'm probably not making the most sense, but I'm really tired. Point is, play the Philidor, but tread carefully. If you survive the first 5 or 6 moves, you should have a decent game for both players.

Posted by ganstaman
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8/19/2006
01:00:10

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more Philidor

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Here I point out another set-up/trap that black has to be wary of: -> www.chessgames.com

I should also note that the original intention of Philidor was 1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 d6 3. d4 f5, but this has apparently been 'refuted' (not sure of the exact line, but the whole opening is very sharp when you play 3...f5).

Posted by far1ey
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8/19/2006
04:59:59

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He he, ganstaman had to find out the hard way... :D

Posted by stendhar
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8/20/2006
12:26:19

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What about....

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The Alekhine? It's quite decent, at least a lot better than those f5 variation you said you had been trying. I must be on the same level with ccmcacollister because I must urge you to reconsider the Sicilian. I really don't understand why it's shunned on subjectives reasons. It's the best defense out there. And there are so many variations within that you can explore for a long time with even scratching the surface. Plus most of them are fully playable, not just quirky off-shot variations.

Posted by loreta
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8/22/2006
13:25:48

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Hm... enumeration...

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Not so many to select (as response to 1. e4):
1. ... b6; c6; d6; e6; g6
1. ... c5; d5
1. ... Nc6; Nf6
1. ... e5 2. Nf3 and then:
2. ... Nc6; Nf6
2. ... d6
Did I skip anything?

Posted by stendhar
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8/29/2006
04:05:18

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I think....

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....it's called St. George's Defense. The advantage is that you can play it against both 1.e4 and 1.d4. It consisits of the a6-b5 moves following with a Queenside fianchetto. Miles once beat Karpov with this quirky defense, and Spasski dared to use it against Petrosian in their match in '66, although he lost rather quickly. Still as a surprise it's okay, but a long term asset it isn't.
Other than that I think you have them all. As for variety, I beg to differ, Black has a lot more responses to 1.e4 than to 1.d4, I think that your just trying to simplify things, as a defense consists in much more than one move. It's about principles and general idea than just a series of memorised moves. If you don't understand the defense you're using, stop using it. It's pointless.

Posted by loreta
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8/29/2006
05:08:16

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As pretenders

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From all that list (and postings) - I'd like to play 1. ... e5 and then test the Philidor defence: 2. Nf3 d6 3. d4 f5!?
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to ccmcacollister : does it really seem I like cramped positions? After all these lsited f related variations :-) At other hand, with Caro-Kann I never feel cramped...

Posted by loreta
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9/12/2006
09:04:48

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Scandinavian?

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I'll try to explain what i seek - to define an opening or variation where White has little for selection...
So the Scandinavian comes to my mind: 1. ... d5
And does you tried and think about some of Ruy without a6: 1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bb5 and then 3. ... Nd4!? or 3. ... Nf6 or even 3. ... g6
!!!

Posted by loreta
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9/29/2006
07:43:33

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One more?!

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And what about Balogh? 1 e4 d6 2 d4 f5

Posted by ganstaman
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9/29/2006
08:36:06

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Balogh

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Not terrible, but supposedly not great. Here's where I learned about it: -> www.chessville.com

I think it could be fun to use on occasion, but I wouldn't want to play it exclusively or anything.