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Posted by fabian uskidscompute.com 6/20/2005 08:54:26 Play online chess	Subject: my longest game and art. Message: my longest game i play now.. ..thats possible.. it should get somewhat over 6000 moves -> gameknot.com
Posted by futile uskidscompute.com 6/20/2005 09:06:17 Play online chess	You guys are so weird... Message: ...keep us posted on this nail-biter!
Posted by fabian uskidscompute.com 6/20/2005 09:13:05 Play online chess	over 2200 moves now.. Message: over 2200 moves now.. yes i will do .. as you follow the game.. there are some art like structure patterns too.. ..with conditional moves its faster to play now )) ——— Viva Las Vegas — I spent the last week in Las Vegas for the annual National Open Chess Championship, held at the South Point Hotel and Casino. As usual, the chess tournament was well attended, with more than 600 players in the big event. Actually, I shouldn't call the event a tournament. It was really a full-on chess festival! Most chess tournaments are, well, chess tournaments. The National Open is a chess festival in the truest sense of the word. There is a chess camp, blitz tournament (five-minute games), quick tournament (10-minute games) and the aforementioned regular tournament (which lasts three days), as well as a big scholastic event, which draws more than 150 scholastic players. In addition, two or ...
Posted by wellhairedbeast uskidscompute.com 6/20/2005 09:14:59 Play online chess	Message: i must say i love the dancing knights. hah you guys are certainly crazy indeed. ——— Chess: Pawn power — How an apparently innocuous pawn move can invite trouble. DK: Last week Ronan introduced our new theme: pawn storms. This position doesn't obviously fit with that, but read onâ€¦ RB: I don't know this line of the Closed Sicilian but doesn't 1â€¦Bb7 seem the logical continuation? I would expect White to follow up with 2 Re1 when Black should probably turn his attention to getting his king to safety, starting with 2â€¦g6 (or 2â€¦e6), and all looks pretty secure. But I know that Dan likes to try to open up a king that hangs around in the middle, so after 1â€¦Bb7 is there any way for White to take immediate advantage of Black's under-developed kingside? What about a quick advance of ...
Posted by ccmcacollister uskidscompute.com 6/20/2005 09:22:12 Play online chess	But .... Message: Have you got an annotator yet ? I would like to suggest bucklehead as the only man for the job! ——— On chess: Teacher makes game fun, fun, fun — Chess can sometimes serve as a big brother. "It helped us stay out of trouble, especially after school," said Luis Garcia, 23. "It kept us safe." Garcia is a former student to Patrick Neely, a retired teacher, veteran chess guru and longtime surfer who runs a "Surf 'n' Chess" program at an elementary school in Glendale, Ariz. His disciples immerse themselves in an environment of chess, Beach Boys tunes and other oldies in the school cafeteria. Neely's program confers benefits in addition to keeping kids off the streets. "It makes you think. It's strategy," Garcia said. The chess novices are also taught respect for themselves and others. They shake hands with their opponents and wish them well before ...
Posted by fabian uskidscompute.com 6/20/2005 09:25:54 Play online chess	re Message: ccmcacollister.. just avoiding 3 times reptitions and checkmates.. who is bucklehead ? what is annotator yet ? its becomes harder if we get 9 queens in the end.. and no pawns.. ——— Disqualified by Evidence on a Phone — A German master was disqualified from his countryâ€™s chess championship tournament this month, done in by his cellphone. Officials determined that the master, Christoph Natsidis, 23, had consulted a computer program on his smartphone during his game against the grandmaster Sebastian Siebrecht in the last round. Natsidis made repeated trips to the bathroom, for 8 to 10 minutes at a time. Siebrecht offered him a draw, which Natsidis accepted. Afterward, a tournament referee asked to see Natsidisâ€™s phone and found a chess program on it with a position from the game. A message sent to Natsidisâ€™s Facebook page asking him for comment was not answered. Natsidisâ€™s disqualification cost ...
Posted by bucklehead uskidscompute.com 6/20/2005 09:42:07 Play online chess	I am honored... Message: ...but I don't deal in miniatures. Give me a yell when you get into the mid-five-digits ;) (PS: I am me) ——— Vishy Anand crushes Alexey Shirov with bravura performance — Vishy Anand, the world chess champion, has responded to the limp draws in the candidates matches and the surprise victory there of Israel's Boris Gelfand by restating his own credentials with a bravura performance. Anand's chess match in Leon against Spain's ex-Latvian No1 Alexey Shirov was only one-hour rapid chess but the Indian won it in style, 4.5-1.5. His three wins included the brilliancy below plus a move six novelty as Black in the solid Caro-Kann which proved so strong that the demoralised Shirov resigned his wretched position as early as move 17. At 41 Anand keeps himself in excellent professional shape. Spain is his European base and he splits his time between training there with ...
Posted by indiana-jay uskidscompute.com 6/20/2005 10:36:46 Play online chess	Message: Anyone think it is possible to restructure the pieces in a game such that all white's pieces replace black's position (eg. white's pawns in 7th rank)??? No??? Sure it is possible! :))
Posted by fabian uskidscompute.com 6/20/2005 10:43:18 Play online chess	indiana-jay Message: what you mean there ? how ?
Posted by bucklehead uskidscompute.com 6/20/2005 11:17:22 Play online chess	Could probably do it... Message: ...fairly easily, at least for only one side (black or white)--the pawns can't all pass each other without many captures.
Posted by bucklehead uskidscompute.com 6/20/2005 11:19:01 Play online chess	PS: Message: I would think that stalemating possibilities would be much reduced if your under-promoted to knights, for instance, rather than having many queens on the board.
Posted by fabian uskidscompute.com 6/20/2005 11:40:00 Play online chess	bucklehead Message: many queens ..yes i know ..) but conditional moves allow only promoting queens .its abit faster.. maybe do it at the end.. i just must have the laste piece a rook or queen.. or its draw because of of too less material (knight or bishop (( ) .. then the loly king could be sourounded be his (her) queens ..))
Posted by beathoven uskidscompute.com 6/20/2005 17:33:09 Play online chess	Message: I guess both sides made some blunders.. lol :D
Posted by fabian uskidscompute.com 6/20/2005 17:51:40 Play online chess	blitz Message: no.. its the 4 knights opening .advancing after 50 move LOL.. maybe Nigel Short and Kasparov could play it in blitz ? in 2 hours games.. ? makes 3600 move an hour if everyone moves a second.. ..but not to write down all moves ??
Posted by fabian uskidscompute.com 6/20/2005 17:51:49 Play online chess	blitz Message: no.. its the 4 knights opening .advancing after 50 move LOL.. maybe Nigel Short and Kasparov could play it in blitz ? in 2 hours games.. ? makes 3600 move an hour if everyone moves a second.. ..but not to write down all moves ??
Posted by sodiumattack uskidscompute.com 6/21/2005 01:48:32 Play online chess	Message: # then the loly king could be sourounded be his (her) queens ..)) [fabian] Hope polypamy is not a crime in chess! 8)
Posted by usethepawn uskidscompute.com 6/21/2005 04:16:40 Play online chess	Manhattan and I... Message: Are looking to better you ;) -> gameknot.com Not far at the moment but we'll get there... we are both fast and usually get on at the same time.
Posted by fabian uskidscompute.com 6/21/2005 08:58:26 Play online chess	good to :manhatten Message: i see good try )) but you already moved your pawns .. that limits the maximum a bit..
Posted by magna68 uskidscompute.com 6/21/2005 14:21:49 Play online chess	fabian, one thought.. Message: Why did you write "just avoiding 3 times reptitions and checkmates.."? If you guys are following strictly the rules in this (crazy:-)) marathon (chess)game, then it was already a draw after move 50. The fifty move rule. If you are exploring how far you can go without either side to win or declare a draw, you would need to make exchange every 50 move. Braking this rule make this otherwise quite funny experiment less valid. But good luck! cheers Bjorn
Posted by thecatcool120 uskidscompute.com 6/21/2005 16:41:44 Play online chess	Message: Gosh... whatta long game. I guess experts have nothing better to do these days (while I fight to the death in tournament plays :)
Posted by ccmcacollister uskidscompute.com 6/21/2005 17:58:37 Play online chess	magna68 Message: Hmmm, I'm not quite clear on the 50 move Rule as per a game like this. And will have a looksie later at the Rules. Any capture of a piece or a pawn restarts the 50 move count, and so does making of any pawn move. But I dont think that failure to do that would invalidate a game from continuing with no draw made since part of the procedure for such a Draw to be declared, according to tournament Chess rules, would be that one of the players would have to make a CLAIM for the draw. If the GK computer system would automatically declares such a draw(?) then that is not stricly in accordance with the Rules elsewhere. What I am not clear on is whether BL could not make a 50 move Draw Claim as soon as WT makes his 50th move and no capture or pawn move has occurred. I think that BL could. (Unless the Rules were to say Both players had to make 50 moves without capture or pawn move. I dont think it is that way ... but have to see the Rule Book on that one, for me. Unless someone can volunteer that info?) }8-)
Posted by andrewthemanyhued uskidscompute.com 6/22/2005 05:29:32 Play online chess	ending a game other than mate Message: My understanding of USCF rules anyway is that one of the players must claim the draw before a draw is declared(by repetition or 50 move rule and insufficient mating material), so both players could just play Nf3 Nf6 Ng1 Ng8 forever as long as neither player declares a draw, there should be no automatic draw. So since repetition, the 50 move rule, and insufficient mating material are not automatic, both players can agree before hand to simply not declare draws. Then you can really think of some crazy ideas, like placing all the pieces in every possible combination on the board(probably with the pawns traded off first so they don't get in the way). If my math is correct there would be something like 16! * 4 = 83,691,159,552,000 positions, but that would require how many more moves to get to each position! Regards, AtMH
Posted by fabian uskidscompute.com 6/22/2005 05:44:50 Play online chess	50 moves rule.. Message: i tested the 50 moves rule its not affected we made about 60 moves.. and nothing happend.. see in my past game records .."testgame".. the 3 move reptions is working here i think ? on real board .. you have to claim thins.. and the 50 moves rule too.. i think its 2 exeptions. 1. endgame K+R+B versus K+R its 100 moves i think... 2. endgame not really sure K+B versus K+B+N+N ? or some combination of B and N ? about 250 moves... but never seen it rule 5.5 here is after 50 moves : it MAY BE DRAWN.. maybe someone of you know this better.. we follow 50 moves so far.. so we dont play endless.. and 16! positons is good ..but nobody can play really that much..computers.. maybe maschine hydra now ? i like more human playing i think hydra gets confused by my longest game and would not play so.. better see some blunders from humans and GMs sometimes too.. thats more fun.. so far hydra was not beaten by GMs ? i think GMs (humans) have more idea for postions and stratetic.. there are exponetial possibilities to play chess and they can calculate wrong trees.. it cant (never) calcula all..
Posted by fabian uskidscompute.com 6/22/2005 05:54:17 Play online chess	rules Message: i just see the link: -> www.dsu.dk read §9 for draw rules..
Posted by eurookie uskidscompute.com 6/23/2005 12:33:24 Play online chess	are you sure... Message: ... you'll get somewhat over 6000 moves? i'm asking because i have read somewhere that the longest possible chess game (satisfying the FIDE-rules) is 5961 moves. unfortunately, i can't find the article or book i read it in anymore, but here's another source for the number in question ( -> www.chess-poster.com ) but they consider it to be 5949 moves. i don't know whom i should believe :-) but i'll surely keep an eye on your ongoing game. it reminds me a little bit of the sudoku-problem (how many possible ways to fill a blank 9x9 grid not violating the sudoku-rules). anyway, i've noticed that neither of you ever gave a check to your opponents king - any reason for that? very interesting stuff un saludo, eurookie
Posted by eurookie uskidscompute.com 6/23/2005 12:40:47 Play online chess	oops... Message: sorry, i was wrong about the check-thing. i found one in move 239...
Posted by ccmcacollister uskidscompute.com 6/26/2005 21:24:41 Play online chess	Thanks fabian ... Message: The FIDE 50 move rule DOES SAY that EACH player must have made 50 moves (or the player claiming a 50 move rule DRAW is about to make the 50th such move and writes the intended move on his scoresheet and summons a director to claim it.) for that draw claim. SO a game with a pawn move or a capture on move 50 by BL (or by WT for that matter) would not qualify! So if a capture or pawn move had first occurred on Whites 51st move instead, then only BL would have had an option to claim a draw at his 50th move. But White could not have on HIS 50th move since BOTH players had not yet gone 50 without P/M or Cap. WT could not claim until move 51, if he did not P/M or Cap then. Thats the way it looks to me there.
Posted by sxyvoice uskidscompute.com 6/26/2005 21:42:41 Play online chess	Wow~! It's an art~! Message: -> gameknot.com
Posted by leviasis420 uskidscompute.com 6/28/2005 11:10:13 Play online chess	proof Message: This game is just proof that chess players have too much time on their hands. No wonder the world thinks we're a bunch of dorks
Posted by fabian uskidscompute.com 6/30/2005 08:58:15 Play online chess	over 2500 moves now Message: we are over 2500 moves now )) erookie thats a good link and nice games there. )) yes in an on table tournioer you have to proof and claim a draw.. 3 repitations of the same pieces on the bord.. (if you lost the castle option its new too).. and the 50 move too.. there are some checks in it.. maybe ery 100 to 300 move or so..
Posted by fabian uskidscompute.com 6/30/2005 08:58:16 Play online chess	over 2500 moves now Message: we are over 2500 moves now )) erookie thats a good link and nice games there. )) yes in an on table tournioer you have to proof and claim a draw.. 3 repitations of the same pieces on the bord.. (if you lost the castle option its new too).. and the 50 move too.. there are some checks in it.. maybe ery 100 to 300 move or so..
Posted by spurtus uskidscompute.com 7/01/2005 14:42:05 Play online chess	Message: I love it! was wondering if you guys agreed to play this way, or if it only became a 'quest' after the symmetry from that knight manouvering at the start? BTW.. unless youve exhausted moves that cooperatively play back and forth (except pawns) repetively till 3 reps then then there is vastly more scope to increase you number of moves 3 fold!?... depends on exact definition of 50 move rule though. Spurt.
Posted by fabian uskidscompute.com 7/01/2005 16:50:13 Play online chess	to spurtus Message: well we folowd the moves. of the ohter then avoid the 3 fold.. bit later more options are possible and some patterns come in mind.. (as its boring to repeat to 3 moves.. and look there is no repition then..) ..so same ground position or inverted positions.. once wan there was a way throgh the paws ..of first captures.. )) and the 50 rule is explained above.. by ccmcacollister and others good.. ..so even that rule was once a 100 move rule.. ..if no one would claim someone could play endless.. .so on tables its always limited on your time.. so normally ontbale you have to end the game after 7 hours or so ..if both players exahust there lime limits.. ))
Posted by fabian uskidscompute.com 7/30/2005 04:02:11 Play online chess	over 2800 moves Message: we are almost over 2800 moves now ))
Posted by sodiumattack uskidscompute.com 8/05/2005 11:26:44 Play online chess	Over 3000 moves now... Message: ... and only 13 moves left to 3100. =)
Posted by akinogun uskidscompute.com 8/06/2005 02:15:33 Play online chess	waiting the result. Message: I am waiting for the result impatiently. Hope it well finish before I had a cancer or an accident.
Posted by misato uskidscompute.com 8/06/2005 03:24:07 Play online chess	about half way done Message: A very rough estimation results in maximum of 7,100 moves: 16 pawns (7 moves each), 30 pieces (including 16 promoted pawns) to be captured, 50 moves between each "real" move (pawn move or capture), so (16x7 + 30) x 50 = 142x50 = 7,100 The exact number must be lower as some moves must be pawn AND capture moves, otherwise it is not possible to get all pawns promoted. So fabian´s (6,000+) and eurookie´s numbers (5,9xy) seem reasonable. Next week this game will celebrate its first birthday - and after a look at the number of moves so far, it should be buried before its second birthday. Akinogum, I am afraid the result is predictable already: it must be a draw because the final move will be a capture leaving two lonely Kings on the board. If you are careful enough I see no reason why you shouldn´t see this prediction finally confirmed.
Posted by georgesdimitrov uskidscompute.com 8/06/2005 15:47:43 Play online chess	Talking of Art... Message: Someone should take still frames of all the moves and make an art video of the pieces moving around at a very fast speed. It could start at about six half-moves a second - 4 frames per photo, then it would speed up more and more, up to 12 moves per second at the end. You could add a little motion blur effect too, little trails of pieces. For 6000 moves it should last approx 12 minutes, you could then hit play and be hypnotised watching pieces dance around faster and faster. Imagine projected on a giant screen! Georges
Posted by fabian uskidscompute.com 8/07/2005 02:39:13 Play online chess	film Message: yes thats good could you take a film of it ? over 3150 moves now.. at 4900 all pawns are promoted .then the number of pieces are reducing .. i think a draw too..