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| Posted by ccmcacollister uskidscompute.com 12/20/2004 22:18:34 play online chess |  Subject: TD's or Arbiters here ?Message: In GK Forum in the "URGENT" thread I had a Rule situation come up that I thought interesting. And from that it occurs to ask here, if there are any here at GK who are Tournament Directors or Arbiters ... For The Record, so to speak ? Or Tournament Organizers or other players especially conversant with Chess Rules from FIDE or the various National Federations. So on the subject of Rules, whether TD, ARB., or Player; Is there any situation you have come upon about a Rules Question or ruling that you found particularly interesting or otherwise important to know? |
| Posted by ccmcacollister uskidscompute.com 12/20/2004 22:32:03 play online chess | Per my Question ... Message: I just want to mention my own experience is in being a Tournament Director of the "Local" level (the first level one is granted when becoming a USCF director) for over a decade, not quite two, beginning in the early 1980's. And a tournament organizer for a bit beyond the first half of that. All of my own Directing or Organiz- ing having been in Nebraska or Iowa, USA. In the interest of Chess, I will mention that to become a Local Director in USCF you would simply need to contact the Federation for a statement you sign to verify that you have read the USCF Rules Book. Unless this or anything has changed since I directed; there is no charge or other requirements to do this. Tho there is a fee if you would also want to start your own Chess Affiliate. But you might find either or both to be enjoyable and rewarding to you and worth considering. It certainly helps the Game when players do take this step, and can only benefit your own understanding of the Rules if you are a Tournament Player already. I am not a representative of the USCF, so any errors in this information are strictly my own. And I am not a TD or Affiliate at this time. Regards, Craig |
| Posted by ccmcacollister uskidscompute.com 12/20/2004 22:35:56 play online chess | OOPs! I should INCLUDE .... Message: also If you are a Director or Organizer of GK tournaments!~ A terrible oversight. Or team Captains, certainly do much, in organizing matches here. And a personal "Thanks" from my to all of you who have chosen to promote Chess by any of these means! |
| Posted by dykker uskidscompute.com 12/22/2004 02:35:32 play online chess | I'm both an TD and IA Message: For your record, I'm both. IA in FIDE and TD in ICCF. I think that on server based chess there is not many rules questions that can give problems. E.g. with the urgent case, the server implementation secures that you only can offer draws on the correct time, that is after you have moved. Of course a player should be aware of the rules, esecially the ones that can have have importance in his own games. E.g. one should know the rules of situations where a draw can be demanded, if not for anything than to avoid them :-) A curiosity, In real life my experience is that the stronger the players, the less problems has to be solved. GM's nearly never gives any problems, regarding rules issues. They do know the rules. |
| Posted by bogg uskidscompute.com 12/22/2004 08:32:59 play online chess | But even the best can make mistakes Message: One of my favorite stories comes from a game between A. Karpov and A. Miles. The game was played shortly after the addition of a time penalty for a mistaken draw claim. In a position where AK could force a repitition of the position AM took the Arbiter aside and pointed out that the first time the position occured he could castle. AK, short of time claimed the draw the third time the position was 'repeated' and was notified of his mistake. The commentator said that AK looked ready to have a heart attack when the arbiter adjusted his clock by removing five minutes, at which point AM, always the sportsman, offered AK a draw. ;-) CT |
| Posted by punkusmartyrus uskidscompute.com 12/22/2004 18:08:08 play online chess | interesting Message: that's a good story, but if i was in AM's position & it was a tourny or championship w/ prizes on the line then AK would of had to bite the bullet. lol:) |
| Posted by chrisp uskidscompute.com 12/23/2004 02:49:58 play online chess | Arbiter Message: I used to control/arbit local level tournaments up till a few years ago. I am interested in dykker comments, as I found that stronger players created less issues which needed any intervention, due to their knowledge of the games and the intricacies of the rules. However, I also found that the stronger players were more likely to 'try it on' and were more likely to disagree and attempt to pressure the arbitor. Lower rated players tended to accept that you knew the rules better than them and just get on with it. Cheers and Merry Christmas chrisp |
| Posted by potus uskidscompute.com 12/23/2004 11:09:49 play online chess | They do know the rules Message: One of my favourite examples of gm's not knowing the rules is the time Korchnoi asked the arbiter if castling was legal if he had to move his rook past a square controlled by one of his opponents pieces ! |
| Posted by dykker uskidscompute.com 12/27/2004 02:08:59 play online chess | @Chrisp Message: The only time I have really experienced that players would try to disagree, was before a last round, where two country men should play. They tried to get the pairings changed, so the both could end in the money. It was not changed :-) Much eaisier these days, where pairing can be done by FIDE appored software programs ! And when play is going, I really think it can only be done, when a strong player meets an not so strong player. Because if it's two strong players, the other will of course also know the rules, and object if the first one makes such a pressure that the arbiter begings to daubt. |
| Posted by chrisp uskidscompute.com 12/27/2004 03:25:11 play online chess | dykker Message: I totally agree with what you are saying. i was unfortunate enough to be involved in some tournaments at fairly local level, where a couple of the stronger players in the area had what i would call an 'attitude problem' - they appeared to actually believe some of the rubbish they spouted!! Fortunately, such players are quite rare, and soon get known amongst the other players and TD's. The vast majority of players are totally honest which is one of the main reasons I was ever willing to provide my time free of charge to help local chess and related tournaments. |
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