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| Posted by jumpcueman uskidscompute.com 11/19/2004 04:25:08 Play online chess |  Subject: Scotch Game OpeningMessage: I am currently an avid user (of a meagre 1300 rating) of the Scotch opening 1. e4 e4 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. d4.... I am trying to work out the best ways to play this opening. I have struggled to find much literature on this opening and the various variations... So far what I have run into is: 1. e4 e4 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. d4....exd4 4. Nxd4 Nxd4 5. Qxd4 Here your queen is out early which seem to me to be against the opening rules. 1. e4 e4 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. d4....exd4 4. Nxd4 Nf6 5. Nc3 A couple of stronger players have played 1. e4 e4 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. d4 exd4 4. Nxd4 Qh4 and 1. e4 e4 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. d4 exd4 4. Nxd4 Qf6 Does anyone have particular experience with this opening that could share some insight into the lines to play and the lines to avoid? Regards, Ryon. |
| Posted by jumpcueman uskidscompute.com 11/19/2004 05:16:00 Play online chess | Additional info Message: I have found this that shows the various lines and what they are called - could anyone offer any comments on any of them? [Event "?"] [Site "?"] [Date "????.??.??"] [Round "?"] [White "Scotch gambit"] [Black "?"] [Result "*"] [ECO "C44"] [PlyCount "11"] 1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. d4 exd4 4. Bc4 Bb4+ 5. c3 dxc3 6. bxc3 * [Event "?"] [Site "?"] [Date "????.??.??"] [Round "?"] [White "Scotch gambit"] [Black "Cochrane Variation"] [Result "*"] [ECO "C44"] [PlyCount "13"] 1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. d4 exd4 4. Bc4 Bb4+ 5. c3 dxc3 6. bxc3 Ba5 7. e5 * [Event "?"] [Site "?"] [Date "????.??.??"] [Round "?"] [White "Scotch gambit"] [Black "Hanneken Variation"] [Result "*"] [ECO "C44"] [PlyCount "18"] 1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. d4 exd4 4. Bc4 Bb4+ 5. c3 dxc3 6. O-O cxb2 7. Bxb2 Nf6 8. Ng5 O-O 9. e5 Nxe5 * [Event "?"] [Site "?"] [Date "????.??.??"] [Round "?"] [White "Scotch"] [Black "Goering gambit"] [Result "*"] [ECO "C44"] [PlyCount "7"] 1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. d4 exd4 4. c3 * [Event "?"] [Site "?"] [Date "????.??.??"] [Round "?"] [White "Scotch"] [Black "Sea-cadet mate"] [Result "*"] [ECO "C44"] [PlyCount "19"] 1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. d4 exd4 4. c3 dxc3 5. Nxc3 d6 6. Bc4 Bg4 7. O-O Ne5 8. Nxe5 Bxd1 9. Bxf7+ Ke7 10. Nd5# * [Event "?"] [Site "?"] [Date "????.??.??"] [Round "?"] [White "Scotch"] [Black "Goering gambit"] [Result "*"] [ECO "C44"] [PlyCount "10"] 1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. d4 exd4 4. c3 dxc3 5. Nxc3 Bb4 * [Event "?"] [Site "?"] [Date "????.??.??"] [Round "?"] [White "Scotch"] [Black "Goering gambit, Bardeleben Variatio"] [Result "*"] [ECO "C44"] [PlyCount "12"] 1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. d4 exd4 4. c3 dxc3 5. Nxc3 Bb4 6. Bc4 Nf6 * [Event "?"] [Site "?"] [Date "????.??.??"] [Round "?"] [White "Scotch"] [Black "Lolli Variation"] [Result "*"] [ECO "C44"] [PlyCount "6"] 1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. d4 Nxd4 * [Event "?"] [Site "?"] [Date "????.??.??"] [Round "?"] [White "Scotch"] [Black "Cochrane Variation"] [Result "*"] [ECO "C44"] [PlyCount "13"] 1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. d4 Nxd4 4. Nxe5 Ne6 5. Bc4 c6 6. O-O Nf6 7. Nxf7 * [Event "?"] [Site "?"] [Date "????.??.??"] [Round "?"] [White "Scotch game"] [Black "?"] [Result "*"] [ECO "C45"] [PlyCount "8"] 1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. d4 exd4 4. Nxd4 Bc5 * [Event "?"] [Site "?"] [Date "????.??.??"] [Round "?"] [White "Scotch"] [Black "Blumenfeld attack"] [Result "*"] [ECO "C45"] [PlyCount "11"] 1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. d4 exd4 4. Nxd4 Bc5 5. Be3 Qf6 6. Nb5 * [Event "?"] [Site "?"] [Date "????.??.??"] [Round "?"] [White "Scotch"] [Black "Blackburne attack"] [Result "*"] [ECO "C45"] [PlyCount "13"] 1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. d4 exd4 4. Nxd4 Bc5 5. Be3 Qf6 6. c3 Nge7 7. Qd2 * [Event "?"] [Site "?"] [Date "????.??.??"] [Round "?"] [White "Scotch"] [Black "Gottschall Variation"] [Result "*"] [ECO "C45"] [PlyCount "24"] 1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. d4 exd4 4. Nxd4 Bc5 5. Be3 Qf6 6. c3 Nge7 7. Qd2 d5 8. Nb5 Bxe3 9. Qxe3 O-O 10. Nxc7 Rb8 11. Nxd5 Nxd5 12. exd5 Nb4 * [Event "?"] [Site "?"] [Date "????.??.??"] [Round "?"] [White "Scotch"] [Black "Paulsen attack"] [Result "*"] [ECO "C45"] [PlyCount "13"] 1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. d4 exd4 4. Nxd4 Bc5 5. Be3 Qf6 6. c3 Nge7 7. Bb5 * [Event "?"] [Site "?"] [Date "????.??.??"] [Round "?"] [White "Scotch"] [Black "Paulsen, Gunsberg defense"] [Result "*"] [ECO "C45"] [PlyCount "14"] 1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. d4 exd4 4. Nxd4 Bc5 5. Be3 Qf6 6. c3 Nge7 7. Bb5 Nd8 * [Event "?"] [Site "?"] [Date "????.??.??"] [Round "?"] [White "Scotch"] [Black "Meitner Variation"] [Result "*"] [ECO "C45"] [PlyCount "13"] 1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. d4 exd4 4. Nxd4 Bc5 5. Be3 Qf6 6. c3 Nge7 7. Nc2 * [Event "?"] [Site "?"] [Date "????.??.??"] [Round "?"] [White "Scotch"] [Black "Potter Variation"] [Result "*"] [ECO "C45"] [PlyCount "9"] 1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. d4 exd4 4. Nxd4 Bc5 5. Nb3 * [Event "?"] [Site "?"] [Date "????.??.??"] [Round "?"] [White "Scotch"] [Black "Romanishin Variation"] [Result "*"] [ECO "C45"] [PlyCount "10"] 1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. d4 exd4 4. Nxd4 Bc5 5. Nb3 Bb4+ * [Event "?"] [Site "?"] [Date "????.??.??"] [Round "?"] [White "Scotch"] [Black "Tartakower Variation"] [Result "*"] [ECO "C45"] [PlyCount "11"] 1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. d4 exd4 4. Nxd4 Nf6 5. Nxc6 bxc6 6. Nd2 * [Event "?"] [Site "?"] [Date "????.??.??"] [Round "?"] [White "Scotch"] [Black "Mieses Variation"] [Result "*"] [ECO "C45"] [PlyCount "11"] 1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. d4 exd4 4. Nxd4 Nf6 5. Nxc6 bxc6 6. e5 * [Event "?"] [Site "?"] [Date "????.??.??"] [Round "?"] [White "Scotch"] [Black "Horwitz attack"] [Result "*"] [ECO "C45"] [PlyCount "9"] 1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. d4 exd4 4. Nxd4 Qh4 5. Nb5 * [Event "?"] [Site "?"] [Date "????.??.??"] [Round "?"] [White "Scotch"] [Black "Berger Variation"] [Result "*"] [ECO "C45"] [PlyCount "21"] 1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. d4 exd4 4. Nxd4 Qh4 5. Nb5 Bb4+ 6. Nd2 Qxe4+ 7. Be2 Qxg2 8. Bf3 Qh3 9. Nxc7+ Kd8 10. Nxa8 Nf6 11. a3 * [Event "?"] [Site "?"] [Date "????.??.??"] [Round "?"] [White "Scotch game"] [Black "?"] [Result "*"] [ECO "C45"] [PlyCount "11"] 1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. d4 exd4 4. Nxd4 Qh4 5. Nb5 Bb4+ 6. Bd2 * [Event "?"] [Site "?"] [Date "????.??.??"] [Round "?"] [White "Scotch"] [Black "Rosenthal Variation"] [Result "*"] [ECO "C45"] [PlyCount "18"] 1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. d4 exd4 4. Nxd4 Qh4 5. Nb5 Bb4+ 6. Bd2 Qxe4+ 7. Be2 Kd8 8. O-O Bxd2 9. Nxd2 Qg6 * |
| Posted by deputy1 uskidscompute.com 11/19/2004 06:46:20 Play online chess | Scotch Game Message: Try Chessbase or ChessLab for up to date games on this opening or if you want go in to the past try Chessgame.com for researching further Regards John Hamer ——— Ivanchuk and Carlsen Tie for First at Amber — Magnus Carlsen of Norway and Vassily Ivanchuk of Ukraine tied for first in the 19th Amber CHESS tournament, which ended on Thursday in Nice, France. Vladimir Kramnik of Russia was third, 1.5 points behind the leaders, and Alexander Grishuk of Russia finished fourth, a half point behind Kramnik. It was Ivanchuk’s second victory at the Amber; the first was in the inaugural tournament in 1992. Ivanchuk is the only chess player to compete every year the Amber has been held. Carlsen, the No. 1 player in the world, has now competed four times at the Amber, and it was his first win. His previous best was a tie for second in 2008. The victory ... |
| Posted by jumpcueman uskidscompute.com 11/19/2004 06:56:41 Play online chess | re:deputy1 Message: Thanks John, Ill check out those sites. Ryon. ——— Chess championship preparation, modern style — Viswanathan Anand and Veselin Topalov will be out of the public eye for the next month, preparing for the April 23 start of their 12-game world chess championship match. I wonder what the master of preparation, Mikhail Botvinnik, would think of refinements in the training regimen he pioneered. Botvinnik, world chess champion from 1948 to 1963, described a five-stage process: reviewing interesting recent games, studying everything played by his opponents, choosing an opening repertoire, testing it in secret training games, and taking a rest from chess "five days or so" before the start of the event. The computer has prompted changes. Today's chess grandmasters must ... |
| Posted by bonsai uskidscompute.com 11/19/2004 07:27:10 Play online chess | Message: 1. e4 e4 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. d4 exd4 4. Nxd4 Qh4 is an extremely sharp and complicated line, while I don't really know anything about it I have noticed that there has recently been a book solely dedicated to this one particular line. After 1. e4 e4 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. d4 exd4 4. Nxd4 Nxd4 5. Qxd4 it's not much of a problem that your queen is out early, because it's not easy for black to use this fact (in particular he doesn't have a move like Nb8-c6, because he has already swapped of this knight). This position is probably *slightly* better for white, because he has a certain space advantage. ——— The f-pawn, part 6: how would you take on Kasparov? — In this world-championship game, Black has a very big decision to make. Kasparov-Anand, World Chess Championship 1995. Black to play. RB What better way to finish our survey of the f-pawn push than with a world chess championship game? A Scandinavian defence too, which we also took a look at in a recent series of columns, though I don't remember this variation. White's knight looks to have found a powerful and well-supported post, and an exchange of knights on e5 – 1…Nxe5 2 fxe5 – would leave White with a very menacing pawn wedge and the semi-open f-file for his rooks. So we won't be trying that. What else have we got? Say Black castles, which ... |
| Posted by spongebob666 uskidscompute.com 11/19/2004 10:20:32 Play online chess | Wrong Question Message: If you are 1300 you should not be studying openings much. I did study openings when I was 1300 -- most do. It is possible to gain a little bit from this if you ask questions about why moves are the book moves, rather then blindly studying. So you are studying openings correctly (good for you, most don't), and will gain a bit from it. However, your time could be more productively employed in other areas. This is because 1300 players make enough mistakes in the middle game that any opening advantage is essentially irrelevant. I suggest reviewing your games to see where you went wrong. Another good thing to do would be to practice tactics problems. Chess Tactics for Beginners from Convekta (a cd with problems to play on your computer) would be very good for you. Good luck! ——— A saving grace — The 19th Amber Blindfold and Rapid Chess Tournament at Nice is proving to be one of the most entertaining in recent memory with the traditionally high standard of play complimented by fighting chess and a high proportion of decisive games. After seven of eleven rounds it is ‘Mr Amber’, Vasily Ivanchuk, the only chess player to have competed in all 19 Amber tournaments, in the lead. Ivanchuk was neck and neck with world number one Magnus Carlsen until the latter surprisingly lost to Vugar Gashimov in the blindfold and then was fortunate to avoid defeat in the Rapid game after throwing away a big advantage. See main image for Carlsen’s save in the endgame. ... |
| Posted by v_glorioso12 uskidscompute.com 11/19/2004 15:27:41 Play online chess | try Message: try using the scotch gambit, i used to play it and i loved it, and its real easy for black to go wrong, you just gotta keep initiative ——— Ivanchuk Holds Lead at Amber — Vassily Ivanchuk of Ukraine, is proving to be the most intrepid player at the annual Amber chess tournament. He has yet to lose a game and, heading into the second rest day, he has a one point lead over Magnus Carlsen of Norway, the world’s top-ranked chess player. Boris Gelfand of Israel and Vladimir Kramnik of Russia are tied for third, a half point behind Carlsen. Carlsen took the lead in Round 6 by beating Gelfand 2-0. (The participants play a rapid game and a blindfold game against each of the other competitors.) It was the fourth time in the tournament that Carlsen had won both games in a match. But, in Round 7, Carlsen lost 1.5-0.5 to Vugar Gashimov of Azerbaijan, while ... |
| Posted by jumpcueman uskidscompute.com 11/20/2004 00:13:02 Play online chess | thanks! Message: Many thanks everyone for your contributions. I have the seirewan book on chess tactics - I will spend some more time on this. Also will try the scotch gambit! Ryon. |
| Posted by ccmcacollister uskidscompute.com 11/20/2004 08:02:48 Play online chess | Message: In your first line, 4...Nxd4 is just considered a mistake. The Qd4 is an asset rather than a liability, being very actively placed and the Nc6 which might have displaced it is already gone. Cant get more centalized than this! :) *** I didnt see a line.. . sorry if I overlooked it. Anyway it is from your second line given. 5.Bc4 instead of 5.Nc3 after 4...Nf6 has been an entertaining and aggressive line. 5....Nxe4 6.Bxf7+ and this concept is also found in the Smith-Morra Gambit vs the Sicilian. I'll be right back to add a game link with an example. And there are more examples in the dbase at GK. |
| Posted by ccmcacollister uskidscompute.com 11/20/2004 08:18:12 Play online chess | Game Link is ... Message: for board #1662315 *** I also like the Goring Gambit a lot. And the Scotch Gambit too. But lately have taken to playing into the Scotch, in blitz games especially, by going thru the Center Game 1.e4 e5 2.d4 !? Conceivably they might try 2...Nc6 for trying to make it a Nimzovich Defense transposition. But thusfar everyone has played the expected exd4. So I play 2.Nf3 and it can transpose to regular Scotch lines ... but what I really like is when they play 2...c5 3.Bc4 etc and leave that great gaping hole at d5 after I gambit a pawn with c3 sooner or later. Gives them the chance to succumb to that..c5 temptation }8-) |
| Posted by ccmcacollister uskidscompute.com 11/20/2004 08:27:03 Play online chess | Sorry, forgot to say Message: one final thing but it seems rather important. In the game Link given you may note that my opponent there was (at least then if not now) playing only Scotch Game Challenges. So point (1) would seem a very good choice for you, jumpcueman , to see games of for a consistent picture of one players approach. and (2)depite that fact of his familiarity, was perhaps somewhat surprised by the Bc4 line. Or less familiar. |