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| From | Message | Posted by divine_sun_cat uskidscompute.com
12/04/2003 13:36:24 Play online chess | Subject: When to attack
Message: This is a game i played OTB yesterday (I am white) against a higher rated player.
[Event "League"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "2003.12.03"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Paul N"]
[Black "G.B."]
[Result "0-1"]
[ECO "A00"]
[WhiteElo "110"]
[BlackElo "146"]
[PlyCount "85"]
[SourceDate "2003.07.21"]
1. b4 d5 2. Bb2 Bf5 3. e3 Nd7 4. c4 dxc4 5. Bxc4 e6 6. Nf3 Ngf6 7. a3 Nb6 8.
Qe2 Be7 9. d4 Nxc4 10. Qxc4 O-O 11. Nbd2 Ne4 12. O-O Nxd2 13. Nxd2 c6 14. Rfe1 Bf6 15. e4 Bg6 16. Nf3 Qb6 17. Rad1 Rad8 18. a4 Rd7 19. a5 Qc7 20. e5 Be7 21. Bc3 Rfd8 22. g4 Rd5 23. h4 h6 24. Qf1 Rb5 25. h5 Bh7 26. Qg2 Bxb4 27. Bxb4 Rxb4 28. g5 hxg5 29. Qxg5 Rf8 30. h6 f6 31. exf6 Rxf6 32. Qxg7+ Qxg7+ 33. hxg7 Kxg7? 34. Ng5 Bf5 35. f4 Kf8 36. Re5 Ke7 37. d5 cxd5 38. Rdxd5 Rxf4 39. Kh2 Rh6+ 40. Kg3 Rg4+ 41. Kf3 Rxg5 42. Rb5 Bg4+ 43. Kf4 0-1
At move 20 I considered playing 20. Ne5 Bxe5 21. dxe5 Rfd8 22. Rxd7 ... to exchange my knight for blacks black bishop, but wasn't sure if I would gain enough for the doubled pawns. (Analysing the game i think f3 closing in his white bishop together with my space advantage may have left me a slight edge). Instead I tried to close off the centre and keep his major pieces on the queenside then launching a kingside attack with my g and h pawns backed up by my queen, knight and hopefully rooks. However it didn't work and i failed even to regain my pawn (ps I know that i left my knight hanging in time trouble before move 35). Playing through the attack after the game I couldn't see a way to make it work - nor can Fritz. However when the attack began on move 22 there was no way I could forsee the attack would fail so I must have made a misjudgement of the position and the attacking forces I would require. What I wanted to ask was whether anyone had any advice on assessing the success chances for such an attack. For example what material is needed, any particular strategic patterns to recognize and any recurring tactical combinations to throw open the defense. Or is it largely experience.
Thanks for any opinions. The game is in PGN format.
| Posted by philaretus uskidscompute.com
12/04/2003 16:15:02 Play online chess | Paul N?
Message: I thought you were a lady, justice4catz.
All right, I know that's off-topic. :/
| Posted by anaxagoras uskidscompute.com
12/04/2003 16:57:46 Play online chess | When or Where?
Message: It seems that instead of wondering about when to attack, you might better focus on *where* to attack. As you opened on the queenside with 1 b4, it would have been logical for you to continue queenside expansion with pressure on the c-file from at least one of your rooks (both of which you placed behind your e and d pawns).
1. b4 d5 2. Bb2 Bf5 3. e3 Nd7 4. c4 dxc4 5. Bxc4 e6 6. Nf3 Ngf6 7. a3 Nb6 8.
Qe2?
Here 8 Bb3 would have been better, as you could then preserve your good bishop and not lose control of the light squares (your pawns are on the dark squares).
...Be7 9. d4 Nxc4 10. Qxc4 O-O 11. Nbd2 Ne4 12. O-O Nxd2 13. Nxd2 c6 14. Rfe1 Bf6 15. e4 Bg6 16. Nf3 Qb6 17. Rad1 Rad8 18. a4 Rd7 19. a5? Qc7 20. e5?!
Your 19th and 20th moves are dubious because they create weak points on the white squares, both of which Black later penetrates with his rooks to win...
Be7 21. Bc3 Rfd8 22. g4??
Better to strengthen your center by moving your Knight and advancing with f4. The g-pawn advance is completely without justification, as your position would indicate that you should strengthen your center. You can't begin a king-side attack just because you want to attack the enemy King.
...Rd5 23. h4 h6 24. Qf1 Rb5 25. h5 Bh7 26. Qg2?
This hangs a pawn and spells victory for Black. While it is generally a good idea to vigorously follow through with your own plans, you don't really have an attack to pursue here.
...Bxb4 27. Bxb4 Rxb4 28. g5 hxg5 29. Qxg5 Rf8 30. h6 f6 31. exf6 Rxf6 32. Qxg7+ Qxg7+ 33. hxg7 Kxg7 34. Ng5 Bf5 35. f4 Kf8 36. Re5 Ke7 37. d5 cxd5 38. Rdxd5 Rxf4 39. Kh2 Rh6+ 40. Kg3 Rg4+ 41. Kf3 Rxg5 42. Rb5 Bg4+ 43. Kf4 0-1
When you ask about how to assess the chances of an attack, you are thinking too generally. Ask yourself *where* you should apply pressure; the position should speak for itself. If you have space on the queenside, increase it! Don't abandon that advantage for a poorly planned assault on the king. If your center is vulnerable, then your attack on the wing will fail. Open files are also a good indicator of where to attack, but you ignored your c-file throughout the whole game.
Attacks on the enemy King are very difficult to succeed at. First, your minor pieces in the king's vicinity must overpower your opponents. Second, you must have enough attacking strength to overcome the defending pawns, which usually can't be done without your rooks supporting a *slow* pawn advance (that's why your center must be secure). Lastly, you can only attack the King if a Kingside attack is *justified* by the advantages and disadvantages you already possess. You shouldn't be thinking about attack the king when your space advantage is on the queenside, and when it would still be possible for your opponent to break through your center.
I hope I haven't been too harsh here, though I know I am blunt. I struggle with the same issues, have no doubt. Knowing where and when to attack is much less an issue of chess knowledge, I believe, as it is about self-honesty. Most of us possess enough chess knowledge to know when we can or can't pull of what we want to do, but we get tunnel-vision and refuse to consider our opponents options! ——— The Scotch Opening, part 3: the Kasparov approach — The former world champion was responsible for a revival of interest in the chess opening. But how does he exploit it here? More on the Scotch. Garry Kasparov was responsible for its revival. Here he finds his e-pawn under pressure. What should he play? RB There are so many possibilities that I'm going to have to go through a process of elimination. We can discard the obvious hara-kiri options of 1 cxd5 and 1 exf6 Qb4+. Nor does 1 f4 fxe5 2 fxe5 Qg5 look particularly appealing. 1 Bg2 looks like it just loses a pawn and gives Black all the play after 1...fxe5 2 0-0, and 1 e6 is just bad. Nor do 1 Nd2, 1 Kd1 and 1 Ba3 solve the problem. That leaves ...
Posted by divine_sun_cat uskidscompute.com
12/05/2003 08:25:32 Play online chess | Anaxagoras
Message: Thanks for taking the time to respond.
I agree 8. Qe2 was not best I think Be2 was the move. I understand your points about shutting in my queens bishop then losing the kings bishop. However when playing Sokolslys opening I've often been in a position where I've trading my kings bishop and had my queen bishop shut in by central pawns, but late in the middle game opened up the a1-h8 diagonal, so I am willing to accept a temporary weakness of my bishops. And in fact with 20. Ne5 Fritz would have had me ahead for the first time in the game (by half a pawn), and I agree the position looks better for white.
Perhaps you are right that my pressure should have been on the half open c file. I didn't ignore it, but I didn't anticipate success there as black had the queenside pawn majority and could readily defend his weaknesses I thought.
Interesting that you say direct kingside assaults are very difficult to succeed at. I didn't share that view particularly, so maybe that's where I went wrong and tried to outreach myself and the position. Too bad. ——— Russia return to form after slump — Russia, with a new-look young chess team, recovered from an early setback against Greece and won the World Team Chess Championship at Bursa, Turkey. The result eases the pressure on Moscow chess officials whose once invincible squad failed to justify top seeding in the last three Olympiads. The United States, without their No2, Gata Kamsky, took silver and India, missing the world chess champion, Vishy Anand, won bronze, both fine performaces. But the show stealer was this week's spectacular brilliancy, which helped the 22-year-old US chess champion to the individual top board gold medal. Boris Gelfand had planned the sharp opening and ...
Posted by anaxagoras uskidscompute.com
12/05/2003 14:56:45 Play online chess |
Message: I'm glad that helps a little bit. One last piece of advice (or the expression of an opinion): don't rely to much on Fritz's numerical evaluations of a position, especially when it puts you up or down by such a small ammount as half a pawn. First of all, Fritz will never give you a positional explanation of its evaluation, and secondly, Fritz has been periodically unreliable at analyzing some closed positions. Witness Kasparov's winning game against Fritz; the computer had no idea it was about to be crushed.
Oh, yet another comment: I wouldn't call the exchange of your good bishop a temporary or dynamic weakness, at least not in the game you show above. It would be much more accurate to say that your dark-squared bishop was a long-term or static weakness, as it never did anything until the Black Rooks began to liquidate your pawn center.
"Perhaps you are right that my pressure should have been on the half open c file. I didn't ignore it, but I didn't anticipate success there as black had the queenside pawn majority and could readily defend his weaknesses I thought."
Look up "minority attack" and you will find a gold-mine of information about how to attack an opponent's pawn majority and give him a permanent weakness. ——— Magnus and Hikaru -- the Ali-Frazier of Chess? — ... But I can't tell you I've ever been more excited about a game than one that lasted five-and-a-half hours Thursday and ended in a tie. The sport was chess. If in everyday conversation you throw around terms like "zugzwang'' and "pawn island,'' you would have found the 59-move contest riveting. But even if you don't, the storyline was irresistable. Playing the white pieces was Hikaru Nakamura, the reigning U.S. chess champion and at 22, perhaps America's best hope for capturing the world title. On the other side of the chess board was Magnus Carlsen, the 19-year-old Norwegian phenom who is now the top rated chess player in the world. Both are brilliant grandmasters on the rise. Each ...
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