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| Posted by mbeaver uskidscompute.com 10/23/2003 00:46:24 Play online chess |  Subject: which program to do the following?Message: Hello, I'd like to have the ability to enter in a position and see what the most favourable move is, with a table of who stands most favourably after that move. this is to help me with my openings so i can see what the best move is during my opening, even if the opponent makes a non-book move. would chess assistant or chessbase be the right product? |
| Posted by bogg uskidscompute.com 10/23/2003 01:07:33 Play online chess | mbeaver Message: I am not certain what you are asking. Any of the chessplaying programs that use the chessbase interface will allow you to enter a position and then analyze it for you. You can get the programs evaluation of as many alternatives as you like. Two caveats though: 1) Chess engines play middlegames much better than openings, that is why they have such extensive opening books. 2) Shredder seems to have a bug in its output function that causes the subsequent play to be reported wrong. Shredder is good at finding the correct move but the lines that it reports as best play are often laughable. I have seen it report that a move was +/= ( I can't remember the numeric evaluation), which seemed about right to me, but in the line that it gave as best play White dropped a queen and a couple of pieces for nothing! |
| Posted by mbeaver uskidscompute.com 10/23/2003 01:12:53 Play online chess | Message: well i have fritz 8 and i can get it to analyze a position but i wanted a program that could analyse a database of human vs human games for a specific position and respond with what the most popular and succesful responses to that position were. ——— The Great London Chess Debate — The former world chess champion Vladimir Kramnik won the London Chess Classic, a tournament that brought the English capital close to its former glory. London was the world chess center in the mid-19th century when the first two important tournaments were organized: the knockout event in 1851 and the round-robin in 1862, both won by the German master Adolf Anderssen, one of the greatest chess attackers. Did the current tournament eclipse the events played roughly 150 years ago? Anderssen did not like the playing conditions in 1851. The chairs and tables were too low for him, the chessboard too big and the players were confined to a small place. But the German chess master would have ... |
| Posted by soikins uskidscompute.com 10/23/2003 02:27:10 Play online chess | Fritz 8 Message: With Fritz 8 the best you can have is the Fritz Opening book with columns of statistics in it: how often the move is played, players avarage ELO, performance, score. No opening book can help you if your oponent plays a non-book move. It is just a non-book move, so it isn't in the opening book. Think for yourself then. ——— Chess: Why resign with two queens? — Despite the extra queen, Howell was in trouble and when he missed a miracle defence Kramnik seized his chance. This is the final position of the chess game we considered last week. Kramnik has just played his rook to c8 and Howell promptly resigned. Why? RB: Yes, why did Black resign? With two queens on the board you'd think he'd be fine. But what are his options here? I can see two. The first doesn't seem to help Black: 1…Rxc8 2 Qxc8+ Kh7 3 a8=Q when, with the threat of mate on h8, Black has to continue 3…Qxa8 and after the recapture White is a knight and a pawn up. The alternative is 1…Qxb8 2 axb8=Q Rxc8 3 Qxc8+ Kh7 4 Qf5+, when White is again a knight and pawn to ... |
| Posted by bogg uskidscompute.com 10/23/2003 04:34:24 Play online chess | mbeaver Message: chessbase 8 has a tool that generates an opening report. It scans a database for games containing the position and reports 'best' lines of play based upon how different moves have done. ——— Making the Case for, and Against, Chess as an Olympic Sport — Could chess be an Olympic sport? Such an idea may seem absurd to some people, but the World Chess Federation has been lobbying the International Olympic Committee for years to include chess in the Games. As part of its efforts, the federation even instituted drug testing to bring chess into compliance with the committee’s rules. (Players have grumbled about this, pointing out that aside from caffeine, there are no drugs that can plausibly help them play better.) In making a case for chess, Kirsan Ilyumzhinov, the president of the federation, has said that curling is essentially “chess on ice.” The Olympic committee has granted the federation status as a Recognized International Sports Federation, but ... |
| Posted by coyotefan uskidscompute.com 10/23/2003 04:54:02 Play online chess | But do not use this at GK Message: These are move generators and are very illegal to use at GK, or most any correspondence group. Databases (such as Chessbase) and books are legal. Shredder and Fritz are very illegal. ——— On Chess: Game is brainy mix of theory, practice — The frequent emphasis on rote learning is decried by critics of formal education. Learning is often reduced to reproducible sound bites amenable to multiple-choice testing. The result can be a learned incapacity in making complex decisions demanding fluid thinking and purposeful action. We often hear from those who use chess as an educational tool that “Chess makes kids smarter.” But why? Chess, like other games, is a testing ground that combines theory and action. It is no accident that the best performers in sports are often effective men and women who achieve new successes when their athletic careers are over. Playing chess involves a continuous mental process of applying and modifying concepts to ... |
| Posted by mester uskidscompute.com 10/23/2003 04:57:01 Play online chess | coyotefan Message: That doesn't make sense at all. Can you explain? ——— Vlad Kramnik sweeps past Englishmen en route to winning London Chess Classic — Beating up the Brits was the key for Russia's Vlad Kramnik, who won this week's London Chess Classic narrowly from the US No1 Hikaru Nakamura and the world No1 Magnus Carlsen. Kramnik made a clean sweep of the four Englishmen. His key game was in the penultimate round against Luke McShane who till then was a contender for the €50,000 first prize and still finished a strong €15,000 richer fourth. Carlsen was only third, yet the combined elite chess events at Moscow last month and London boosted the 21-year-old Norwegian's status as top dog, second only to the retired Garry Kasparov on the all-time ratings. Carlsen was unbeaten in both chess tournaments, whereas Kramnik and ... |
| Posted by cairo uskidscompute.com 10/23/2003 05:40:11 Play online chess | FAQ No. 20 Message: Q20: What is considered cheating? How to report cheaters? A: It's quite simple -- you can not use anything besides your own brain, and you can not consult anyone besides yourself. That includes chess programs, chess engines or chess computers, your friends, colleagues etc. etc. Chess books and game/move databases are allowed (as they are permitted in correspondence chess too). Feel free to analyze your games with chess engines or discuss them with your friends after the game is over, but not while the game is still in progress. If you suspect someone is cheating, please contact webmaster with a formal complaint. Don't forget to include specific details of why you think someone is cheating. Best wishes Cairo |
| Posted by peppe_l uskidscompute.com 10/23/2003 11:10:40 Play online chess | ... Message: "well i have fritz 8 and i can get it to analyze a position but i wanted a program that could analyse a database of human vs human games for a specific position and respond with what the most popular and succesful responses to that position were." To me it sounds like mbeaver wants a program that gives statistics of each move that has been played before...? Like 1.e4 A) 1...e6 +2000 =500 -1500 B) 1...c5 +1999 =499 -1501 This is legal of course but if we go back to your original post... "I'd like to have the ability to enter in a position and see what the most favourable move is, with a table of who stands most favourably after that move. this is to help me with my openings so i can see what the best move is during my opening, even if the opponent makes a non-book move. would chess assistant or chessbase be the right product?" ...It does not necessarily tell the best move let alone who stands better. Sometimes certain line scores well at first, then Mr Kasparov finds a new move and no one plays the line anymore, BUT 5.000.000-game database claims +30 =5 -5 even though in reality the position is dead equal or perhaps even better for black :-) |
| Posted by brucehum uskidscompute.com 10/23/2003 11:23:00 Play online chess | Chess Assistant Message: Chess Assistant has this option you want. Chessbase too, but I prefer Chess Assistant's layout. It gives you percentages of success et al. Bookup is also good for this. |
| Posted by mate_you_in_fifty uskidscompute.com 10/23/2003 18:46:05 Play online chess | computer programs Message: You can use them *after* the game is over(especially if you lost) and rehash it as much as you like. But not during the game,as it is illegal,unethical,and most importantly,you can't really savour the taste of victory. You don't want to be a handicapped emperor watching his general win the war:) |
| Posted by coyotefan uskidscompute.com 10/24/2003 02:14:10 Play online chess | Chessbase 8 does that every time Message: You make the quary. It gives you the percentages of white score from the position you quaried. I am not crazy about CA. |
| Posted by bogg uskidscompute.com 10/24/2003 11:53:45 Play online chess | chessbase 8 Message: does one thing that I don't think Chess Assistant does. It calculates performance ratings. When looking at an opening report or an opening tree database it gives you the percentage score, the average rating of the people that played the move, a break out of win, loss, and draw record, and the performance rating achieved by the players of the move. Something you will run across not infrequently is a move played a minority of the time that has a high score but was played by strong players against weak players and the score actually represents a bad performance for the move. |