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| Posted by mbeaver uskidscompute.com 10/23/2003 00:46:24 play online chess |  Subject: which program to do the following?Message: Hello, I'd like to have the ability to enter in a position and see what the most favourable move is, with a table of who stands most favourably after that move. this is to help me with my openings so i can see what the best move is during my opening, even if the opponent makes a non-book move. would chess assistant or chessbase be the right product? |
| Posted by bogg uskidscompute.com 10/23/2003 01:07:33 play online chess | mbeaver Message: I am not certain what you are asking. Any of the chessplaying programs that use the chessbase interface will allow you to enter a position and then analyze it for you. You can get the programs evaluation of as many alternatives as you like. Two caveats though: 1) Chess engines play middlegames much better than openings, that is why they have such extensive opening books. 2) Shredder seems to have a bug in its output function that causes the subsequent play to be reported wrong. Shredder is good at finding the correct move but the lines that it reports as best play are often laughable. I have seen it report that a move was +/= ( I can't remember the numeric evaluation), which seemed about right to me, but in the line that it gave as best play White dropped a queen and a couple of pieces for nothing! |
| Posted by mbeaver uskidscompute.com 10/23/2003 01:12:53 play online chess | Message: well i have fritz 8 and i can get it to analyze a position but i wanted a program that could analyse a database of human vs human games for a specific position and respond with what the most popular and succesful responses to that position were. |
| Posted by soikins uskidscompute.com 10/23/2003 02:27:10 play online chess | Fritz 8 Message: With Fritz 8 the best you can have is the Fritz Opening book with columns of statistics in it: how often the move is played, players avarage ELO, performance, score. No opening book can help you if your oponent plays a non-book move. It is just a non-book move, so it isn't in the opening book. Think for yourself then. |
| Posted by bogg uskidscompute.com 10/23/2003 04:34:24 play online chess | mbeaver Message: chessbase 8 has a tool that generates an opening report. It scans a database for games containing the position and reports 'best' lines of play based upon how different moves have done. |
| Posted by coyotefan uskidscompute.com 10/23/2003 04:54:02 play online chess | But do not use this at GK Message: These are move generators and are very illegal to use at GK, or most any correspondence group. Databases (such as Chessbase) and books are legal. Shredder and Fritz are very illegal. |
| Posted by mester uskidscompute.com 10/23/2003 04:57:01 play online chess | coyotefan Message: That doesn't make sense at all. Can you explain? |
| Posted by cairo uskidscompute.com 10/23/2003 05:40:11 play online chess | FAQ No. 20 Message: Q20: What is considered cheating? How to report cheaters? A: It's quite simple -- you can not use anything besides your own brain, and you can not consult anyone besides yourself. That includes chess programs, chess engines or chess computers, your friends, colleagues etc. etc. Chess books and game/move databases are allowed (as they are permitted in correspondence chess too). Feel free to analyze your games with chess engines or discuss them with your friends after the game is over, but not while the game is still in progress. If you suspect someone is cheating, please contact webmaster with a formal complaint. Don't forget to include specific details of why you think someone is cheating. Best wishes Cairo |
| Posted by peppe_l uskidscompute.com 10/23/2003 11:10:40 play online chess | ... Message: "well i have fritz 8 and i can get it to analyze a position but i wanted a program that could analyse a database of human vs human games for a specific position and respond with what the most popular and succesful responses to that position were." To me it sounds like mbeaver wants a program that gives statistics of each move that has been played before...? Like 1.e4 A) 1...e6 +2000 =500 -1500 B) 1...c5 +1999 =499 -1501 This is legal of course but if we go back to your original post... "I'd like to have the ability to enter in a position and see what the most favourable move is, with a table of who stands most favourably after that move. this is to help me with my openings so i can see what the best move is during my opening, even if the opponent makes a non-book move. would chess assistant or chessbase be the right product?" ...It does not necessarily tell the best move let alone who stands better. Sometimes certain line scores well at first, then Mr Kasparov finds a new move and no one plays the line anymore, BUT 5.000.000-game database claims +30 =5 -5 even though in reality the position is dead equal or perhaps even better for black :-) |
| Posted by brucehum uskidscompute.com 10/23/2003 11:23:00 play online chess | Chess Assistant Message: Chess Assistant has this option you want. Chessbase too, but I prefer Chess Assistant's layout. It gives you percentages of success et al. Bookup is also good for this. |
| Posted by mate_you_in_fifty uskidscompute.com 10/23/2003 18:46:05 play online chess | computer programs Message: You can use them *after* the game is over(especially if you lost) and rehash it as much as you like. But not during the game,as it is illegal,unethical,and most importantly,you can't really savour the taste of victory. You don't want to be a handicapped emperor watching his general win the war:) |
| Posted by coyotefan uskidscompute.com 10/24/2003 02:14:10 play online chess | Chessbase 8 does that every time Message: You make the quary. It gives you the percentages of white score from the position you quaried. I am not crazy about CA. |
| Posted by bogg uskidscompute.com 10/24/2003 11:53:45 play online chess | chessbase 8 Message: does one thing that I don't think Chess Assistant does. It calculates performance ratings. When looking at an opening report or an opening tree database it gives you the percentage score, the average rating of the people that played the move, a break out of win, loss, and draw record, and the performance rating achieved by the players of the move. Something you will run across not infrequently is a move played a minority of the time that has a high score but was played by strong players against weak players and the score actually represents a bad performance for the move. |
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