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| Posted by loreta uskidscompute.com 10/17/2003 06:24:42 play online chess |  Subject: Early blundersMessage: I'm going to continue with games, when main cause of problems is in early oppening phase... Any opinions, suggestions, remarks welcome :-) [Site "www.itsyourturn.com"] [Date "2003.10.08"] [White "Richard"] [Black "Your sinful"] [Result "0-1"] - Before playing, I glanced to my opponent profile and saw that he played above 100 games and won in 60%, so I expected someone of middle-range player. - 1. e4 e5 2. Nc3 Nf6 3. Nf3 Nc6 4. Bc4 After 4. ... Bb4 is the 4 Knights reversed variation that sometimes happened when I played White. This time I want to try something different. - 4. ... Nxe4!? Could someone provide a refutation of it!? - 5. Nxe4 d5 6. Nc3 dxc4 7. Ne4 Bg4 It looks like Black is better, or isn't it? In following, White allowed a blunder after blunder but the final position is 'nice' anyway. - 8. c3? Qd3 9. Nc5?? Bxc5 10. b4? Bxb4 Hoping to get an unprotected d4 square for Knight - and that happens. - 11. cxb4 Nd4! 12. Nxe5 Nc2+, White resigns as the mate in one move, 0-1 |
| Posted by jeffz_2002 uskidscompute.com 10/17/2003 07:37:11 play online chess | My analysis Message: Forgive my assumption that I shouldn't be posting any analysis (after all, I'm only 1100 or so...), but I did take a look. 1. e4 e5 2. Nc3 Nf6 { The Vienna game, a more passive opening for White } 3. Nf3 Nc6 4. Bc4 Nxe4 5. Nxe4 d5 { Though not a refutation, a potential reply could be 6. Be3 dxe4 7. Bxd4, keeping the two Bishops and still keeping the Bishop well developed. It's just a few trades. } 6. Nc3 { Gives up the two Bishops, which may be a disadvantage if Black can open up the board. } 6... dxc4 7. Ne4 { Ne4 does nothing for White (a waste of a tempo), and the Knight can be driven off e4 with f5. A better move might have been b3, opening a line for White's QB, where cxb3 axb3 would activate White's QR (? not sure) } 7... Bg4 { Black is more aggressive, but I'm not sure if it's good. White can still castle long, so h3 either makes the Bishop back off or forces a trade, which seems about equal (to me!). I might have played f5, forcing the Knight from e4 and taking more K-side space. (I'm sure someone will point out the horrible flaw in my thinking...) } 8. c3 Qd3 9. Nc5?? Bxc5 10. b4 Bxb4 11. cxb4 Nd4 12. Nxe5 Nc2+ 13. Qxc2 Qe2# {Black mates} 0-1 Advanced players, let me know if I'm way off base. Hope this helps, or gives some new ideas! Jeff |
| Posted by loreta uskidscompute.com 10/17/2003 08:00:20 play online chess | Nice work, Jeff Message: My posting was oriented to players below ELO 1500 and it's nice if they try to learn from it. Jeff, I'll review your thoughts - but I hope anybody else {from top-rated, too} could share their remarks there. |
| Posted by caldazar uskidscompute.com 10/17/2003 08:45:05 play online chess | Message: After 1. e4 e5 2. Nc3 Nf6 3. Nf3 Nc6 4. Bc4 doesn't work out too well (4. Bb5 is better). In a standard Vienna, White could meet ... Nxe4, not with Nxe4 which really only leads to a level game, but with Qh5. Here, with the White knight on f3, this clearly isn't possible. 1. e4 e5 2. Nc3 Nf6 3. Nf3 Nc6 4. Bc4 Nxe4: 5. Nxe4 d5 6. Bd3 (or 6. Bxd5 Qxd5) dxe4 7. Bxe4 with an equal game. 5. O-O Nxc3 6. dxc3 Be7 7. Qd5 O-O 8. Nxe5 Nxe5 9. Qxe5 Bf6 is also fine for Black. |
| Posted by keiserpaul uskidscompute.com 10/17/2003 09:34:55 play online chess | jeffz_2002 Message: The Vienna is " a more passive opening for White " ? Where did you get that ? The idea of 2.Nc3 is simply to prepare 3.f4 which, in the age of chess romanticism, promised a sharp tactical skirmish. I suggest you first have a look at the Frankenstein-Dracula variation (1.e4 e5 2.Nc3 Nf6 3.Bc4 Nxe4 4.Qh5 Nd6 5.Bb3 Nc6 6.Nb5 g6 7.Qf3 f5 8.Qd5 Qe7 9.Nxc7+ Kd8 10.Nxa8) , I don't think you will repeat that the Vienna is passive after studying it. |
| Posted by jeffz_2002 uskidscompute.com 10/17/2003 09:49:31 play online chess | kaiserpaul Message: You're right, I really haven't looked at this opening that much. I was just repeating a statement as I recalled it from Znosko-Borovsky's "How to play the chess openings". Actually, I misquoted, and obviously misunderstood, what's actually said in that book: "... 2. Kt-QB3 guards White's King's pawn and prevents Black from playing P-Q4. But hardly have we realized the importance of this than we see its weak point. White, instead of attacking, is on the defensive, and, in spite of the advantage of the move, has abandoned the initiative." He does mention a few lines, including 3. f4. The Frank-Drac variation (what a name) isn't mentioned. Thanks for the note. Jeff Thanks for the note. Jeff |
| Posted by buddie uskidscompute.com 10/17/2003 11:16:30 play online chess | Suggestion: Message: Going back to the original post, after 4. ... Nxe4, how about 0-0 !? If Black follows up Nxc3, play dxc3 and it is a Boden-Kiezeritzy gambit. Black should play f6 to prevent Ng5, then white can play Nh4, followed by pushing the f-pawn. Not sound at a high level, but fun at a lower level ! |
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