Chess Forum
uskidscompute.com << online chess - < chess - chess > - chess online >>
| From | Message | ||||||||||||||||
| Posted by lordnguyenvo uskidscompute.com 6/01/2003 19:48:42 Play online chess |  Subject: How important are each phase of the game worth?Message: I think it is 40-30-30(opening-middle-endgame).The opening is a little more important 'cause if you do too bad then the game just ends righ there.Anybody has different opinions? | ||||||||||||||||
| Posted by brobishkin uskidscompute.com 6/01/2003 23:21:40 Play online chess | Each phase... Message: I would put it more like 33-33-34... Each phase of the game is just about equal to each other with the exception of the endgame where one has to play like a machine... Bro... | ||||||||||||||||
| Posted by indiana-jay uskidscompute.com 6/01/2003 23:50:54 Play online chess | Message: Below is what soshin explained about this matter in another thread: "My Outline Of study. There are three phases to a chess game and it would be foolish to not understand each phase in balance to the other two. A player needs an understanding of "opening" basics to fully appreciate the "middlegame" and likewise needs an understanding of "middlegame" to fully appreciate the "endgame". The sequence of these phases logically leads to basic study of them in the same order.(beginning to end) In my mind, players that follow this outline will reach an intermediate level at a faster pace than those that do not. At the intermediate level I believe it is important to identify strenghts and weakness in relation to these three phases and study each accordingly. At the advanced level I believe it is important to return to the "beginners" outline and broaden the players knowledge of each phase in a balanced manner. Having said all of this, I agree that many players devote an "unbalanced" amount of time with their "opening" studies....(memorizing opening variations and following "opening books" or using databases (opening and endgame) is not playing chess. A balanced player will win more games, at ALL levels, than a "specialist" or unbalanced player will." Personally I think that above was the best explanation of the importance of these 3 phases of chess games. In other words, you cannot simply put a x-y-z to compare their importance. They will have different values for different skill level. ——— Hikaru Nakamura and Magnus Carlsen win at Corus Chess — At baseball games, there’s nothing quite like a beer and a hot dog to complete the fan experience. At the Corus Chess tournament in the small Dutch town of Wijk aan Zee, the fan favorite is pea soup. Chess fans slurped bowlfuls of the stuff today as they crowded in to watch the world’s best chess players compete in one of the most prestigious annual contests. Pea soup is a tradition at the tournament. During the World War II era, when food was scarce, area residents would dish out pea soup to the players as a courtesy. Food became more plentiful in later years, but the soup stayed. Now, it’s served at a special banquet for the players. Spectators can get it all day, which ... Posted by loreta | uskidscompute.com 6/02/2003 00:07:22 Play online chess Message: I'm relatively new on GK but could share my experience... When I entered GK, main amount of games were "solved" in middle-game and end-game appeared as only realisation of advance and so... Am issue of couple games were clear in opening phase. Now, mainly all my games have achieved endgame state and a long games are waiting looking for slight advantages (or disadvantages)... . Why a difference like that happened? When I joined GK I played (by unexperience) many weaker players (<1700). Now mainly all opponents are from middle range (1700-2100). So blunders in opening phase are more often for weaker players - and no surprise if they rush to learn an opening theory (because the knowing it gives an advantage against players in their level and better chances to fight with opponents with higher rate). When they start do more games with more advanced players, More games fall-in endgame phase, when very subtle sense of position is needed. So they start to leand endgames. . Later 'the wheel' starts to run from beginining (opening-middlegame-endgame-opening-m-e-o....) ——— Corus Chess -- Showdown in the Netherlands — Where do you go when you get a week off? One option is to escape the cold weather sweeping the U.S. and head for a sunny beach. My wife and I are trying something different. Both fans of tournament chess, we decided to spend the week in the Netherlands to see the strongest chess players in the world compete in one of the most prestigious annual events, Corus Chess. I told my editors what we were doing, and for reasons I still can’t quite fathom, they asked if I’d wanted to blog the action for “The Fabulous Forum.” As chess commentators go, I’m an unorthodox choice. My day job is covering the Obama presidency for the Tribune Washington Bureau. Obama plays chess, we’re ... Posted by peppe_l | uskidscompute.com 6/02/2003 03:53:38 Play online chess Loreta Message: "So blunders in opening phase are more often for weaker players - and no surprise if they rush to learn an opening theory (because the knowing it gives an advantage against players in their level and better chances to fight with opponents with higher rate)." But almost 100% of blunders in the opening are a result of bad tactical skills or sloppy play. If one blunders in the opening, studying openings wont help because that only leads to blundering in the middlegame... I am not going to guess the relative importance of opening-middlegame-endgame because it depends on skill level etc (as pointed out by indiana-jay). For example in <1300 range it might be 15-70-15 (or not) and on 2600+ range it might be 33-34-33 (or not)... When the games arent (almost) always decided by tactical or positional blunders, endgame skills become more important. When one becomes super GM, openings become more important :-) (Half-joking here, more about openings in thread "Are chess players opening-obsessed nowadays?") ——— Israeli's Blunder Sets Up a Surprising Finish — The biggest team event in chess is the biennial Olympiad, which was first held in 1924. At the last one, in Dresden, Germany, in 2008, teams from 146 nations competed. A similar tournament, the World Team Chess Championship, which has been held every four years since 1985, is much smaller. Though it is not considered as prestigious as the Olympiad, perhaps it should be. Only 10 teams compete, but they usually include the top three squads from the most recent Olympiad; the chess champions from Europe, Asia, Africa and the Americas; two teams that are invited to participate; and one from the host country. The most recent championship ended in Bursa, Turkey, last ... Posted by loreta | uskidscompute.com 6/02/2003 05:07:12 Play online chess I've to agree, peppe_lMessage: Your rate is higher :-) Slight misunderstanging - but It's not so important to go into subtle meanings - mauybe. my english wasn't perfect. I wanted to share only my feeling - a) weakening (move, pawns structure, plan and so and so) in opening leads to problems in middle and end-game; b) when playing with stronger opponent, weaker player (often) gets troubles already in opening - so he thinks - study an opening theory will help him. And that does but no so much as he expected. . What is wrong with that - it's overvalued the opening as sets of lines - not as understanding of ideas what is hidden in these lines... . So after playing good variation in opening, a player fall down into bad position in middlegame (or to bad endgame). Of course, it's better to be 'balanced' (good in same level in all phases of gamer), but better to best 'the best' in all that even! ——— Jonathan Hawkins and Peter Williams shine at Hastings Masters — The Hastings Masters, as ever generously supported by the local council, had two significant English successes besides the triumph of the 19-year-old David Howell and Mark Hebden, 51, who shared first prize with chess players from France and Romania. Jonathan Hawkins qualified for the international master title with his third IM performance in as many tournaments. The remarkable feature was that he did it aged 26, living in Durham away from major chess centres, and that he learned his chess skills from a computer without a human coach. Hawkins was graded 102, a weak novice, at age 14, and 158, moderate club standard, at 19, but he has surged in his ... Posted by peppe_l | uskidscompute.com 6/02/2003 05:30:25 Play online chess Loreta Message: I was happy to see that smiley in the sentence "Your rate is higher" :-) I am not a strong player and most important reason for 2000+ rating here is the fact that I have used lots of time and effort for my games (lately a bit less, and sadly that is showing). Also I know clearly stronger players than me who have very unbalanced chess skills are rather ridiculous opinions considering the importance of opening-middlegame-endgame. And dont worry about your English, my English sucks too :-) ——— H Bomb fuse fizzles out — Hikaru Nakamura’s wonderful run came to an end at the World Chess Team Championships as world number five Levon Aronian managed to overcome the American’s King’s Indian Defence with the aid of a strong novelty in the opening and win the chess match for Armenia. The lead changed hands again and with one to play Russia are one match point ahead of the USA after crushing Egypt 3.5-0.5. Russia face Israel in the last round while the USA must overcome the European champions Azerbaijan who are still just about in the hunt for gold. ... Posted by coyotefan | uskidscompute.com 6/02/2003 05:54:50 Play online chess I would disagreeMessage: I would say 80-15-5. If you lose the opening, you lose. End of story. Of course this is assuming that everything else is equal. Posted by coyotefan | uskidscompute.com 6/02/2003 06:02:02 Play online chess AddendumMessage: If the question is how much time should be spent preparing/studying each phase of the game I would say it is more 25/50/25. The middlegame, at least to me is the most difficult period. I see it all the time in OTB play, as well as here, a player plays a book opening, then their opponent throws a curve ath them, and BOOM, they blunder. To me, the mosdt difficult time are the moves right after the book is done. Posted by peppe_l | uskidscompute.com 6/02/2003 06:25:57 Play online chess Coyotefan Message: The point is if you excel in middlegame (both tactics and strategy) you can play the opening reasonably well even if you havent spent so much time for studying openings. "I see it all the time in OTB play, as well as here, a player plays a book opening, then their opponent throws a curve at them, and BOOM, they blunder." Exactly. Because they have spent too much time for studying openings. A player who has studied strategy and tactics will not blunder (at least not so often!), he will find reasonable moves even after his theoretical knowledge ends. "To me, the most difficult time are the moves right after the book is done." And why...? :-) BTW, correction to my previous post: "Also I know clearly stronger players than me who have very unbalanced chess skills are rather ridiculous opinions considering the importance of opening-middlegame-endgame." are = and Sorry... Posted by baseline | uskidscompute.com 6/02/2003 06:45:23 Play online chess How do masters study the opening.Message: masters study the opening by playing throughalot of complete game scores. They are really studying opening,middlegames, and endings when they study the opening. |