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| Posted by lordnguyenvo uskidscompute.com 6/01/2003 19:48:42 Play online chess |  Subject: How important are each phase of the game worth?Message: I think it is 40-30-30(opening-middle-endgame).The opening is a little more important 'cause if you do too bad then the game just ends righ there.Anybody has different opinions? |
| Posted by brobishkin uskidscompute.com 6/01/2003 23:21:40 Play online chess | Each phase... Message: I would put it more like 33-33-34... Each phase of the game is just about equal to each other with the exception of the endgame where one has to play like a machine... Bro... |
| Posted by indiana-jay uskidscompute.com 6/01/2003 23:50:54 Play online chess | Message: Below is what soshin explained about this matter in another thread: "My Outline Of study. There are three phases to a chess game and it would be foolish to not understand each phase in balance to the other two. A player needs an understanding of "opening" basics to fully appreciate the "middlegame" and likewise needs an understanding of "middlegame" to fully appreciate the "endgame". The sequence of these phases logically leads to basic study of them in the same order.(beginning to end) In my mind, players that follow this outline will reach an intermediate level at a faster pace than those that do not. At the intermediate level I believe it is important to identify strenghts and weakness in relation to these three phases and study each accordingly. At the advanced level I believe it is important to return to the "beginners" outline and broaden the players knowledge of each phase in a balanced manner. Having said all of this, I agree that many players devote an "unbalanced" amount of time with their "opening" studies....(memorizing opening variations and following "opening books" or using databases (opening and endgame) is not playing chess. A balanced player will win more games, at ALL levels, than a "specialist" or unbalanced player will." Personally I think that above was the best explanation of the importance of these 3 phases of chess games. In other words, you cannot simply put a x-y-z to compare their importance. They will have different values for different skill level. ——— Blazing Baden-Baden — Michael Adams turned out for Baden-Baden in the German Bundesliga at the weekend and scored 1.5/2. His team lead the chess competition after nine of the 15 rounds with a perfect score. Baden-Baden even achieved a rare whitewash and defeated Berlin 1903 8-0. Baden-Baden’s strength is illustrated by the fact that Adams plays on board 3. Luke McShane’s Werder Bremen are in joint second place having dropped two match points. One of those was to the bottom club Erfurter SK who were out-rated by an average of over 180 points per board but managed a 4-4 draw. McShane played on chess board ... |
| Posted by loreta uskidscompute.com 6/02/2003 00:07:22 Play online chess | Message: I'm relatively new on GK but could share my experience... When I entered GK, main amount of games were "solved" in middle-game and end-game appeared as only realisation of advance and so... Am issue of couple games were clear in opening phase. Now, mainly all my games have achieved endgame state and a long games are waiting looking for slight advantages (or disadvantages)... . Why a difference like that happened? When I joined GK I played (by unexperience) many weaker players (<1700). Now mainly all opponents are from middle range (1700-2100). So blunders in opening phase are more often for weaker players - and no surprise if they rush to learn an opening theory (because the knowing it gives an advantage against players in their level and better chances to fight with opponents with higher rate). When they start do more games with more advanced players, More games fall-in endgame phase, when very subtle sense of position is needed. So they start to leand endgames. . Later 'the wheel' starts to run from beginining (opening-middlegame-endgame-opening-m-e-o....) ——— Magnus Carlsen stands out from Corus — Magnus Carlsen, the 19-year-old chess grandmaster from Norway, won the Corus tournament in Wijk aan Zee, Netherlands. Since October, Carlsen has won three elite chess events plus the World Blitz Chess Championship. His latest success will boost his 2810 rating to an estimated 2814, the second highest in history. This triumph was more difficult, as first Alexey Shirov of Spain and then Vladimir Kramnik of Russia held the lead. Kramnik defeated Carlsen in the ninth round but finished weakly with three draws and a loss to world chess champion Viswanathan Anand of India. However, Carlsen rebounded with two more wins for a score of ... |
| Posted by peppe_l uskidscompute.com 6/02/2003 03:53:38 Play online chess | Loreta Message: "So blunders in opening phase are more often for weaker players - and no surprise if they rush to learn an opening theory (because the knowing it gives an advantage against players in their level and better chances to fight with opponents with higher rate)." But almost 100% of blunders in the opening are a result of bad tactical skills or sloppy play. If one blunders in the opening, studying openings wont help because that only leads to blundering in the middlegame... I am not going to guess the relative importance of opening-middlegame-endgame because it depends on skill level etc (as pointed out by indiana-jay). For example in <1300 range it might be 15-70-15 (or not) and on 2600+ range it might be 33-34-33 (or not)... When the games arent (almost) always decided by tactical or positional blunders, endgame skills become more important. When one becomes super GM, openings become more important :-) (Half-joking here, more about openings in thread "Are chess players opening-obsessed nowadays?") ——— The Scotch Opening, part 5: a dynamic endgame opportunity — How does White do something with this passive position? Howell-Werle, London 2009. White to play. Concluding our brief survey of the Scotch (1 e4 e5 2 Nf3 Nc6 3 d4 exd4 4 Nxd4), we look at the kind of dynamic endgame struggle that can arise from this old but still important chess opening. RB White's position after 1 exf5 Nxf5 2 Re1 (or 2 e4, or 2 Kd2) is so passive – and the e-pawn likely to be a long-term weakness – that White's best chance is to push with 1 e5. Assuming Black takes (1...d5 2 Na4 followed by Nc5 would give the white knight a great post ) with 1...dxe5, White has 2 Bc4, developing his bishop ... |
| Posted by loreta uskidscompute.com 6/02/2003 05:07:12 Play online chess | I've to agree, peppe_l Message: Your rate is higher :-) Slight misunderstanging - but It's not so important to go into subtle meanings - mauybe. my english wasn't perfect. I wanted to share only my feeling - a) weakening (move, pawns structure, plan and so and so) in opening leads to problems in middle and end-game; b) when playing with stronger opponent, weaker player (often) gets troubles already in opening - so he thinks - study an opening theory will help him. And that does but no so much as he expected. . What is wrong with that - it's overvalued the opening as sets of lines - not as understanding of ideas what is hidden in these lines... . So after playing good variation in opening, a player fall down into bad position in middlegame (or to bad endgame). Of course, it's better to be 'balanced' (good in same level in all phases of gamer), but better to best 'the best' in all that even! ——— Chess notes — All eyes this week were on the Corus chess tournament at Wijk aan Zee, the Netherlands, which had about everything one could hope for: drama, contention, star players, and great chess. The event’s sponsor, Corus, is a steel manufacturing and construction company, which was recently acquired by Tate Steel, India’s second largest privately held company. This corporation is a sponsor of many athletic and cultural events throughout Europe and hopefully will continue this great chess event in future years. The “Corus Line’’ in this tourney included, among its 14 contestants, nearly all of the world’s leading Grandmasters, except for Veselin Topalov of Bulgaria and Levon Aronian of ... |
| Posted by peppe_l uskidscompute.com 6/02/2003 05:30:25 Play online chess | Loreta Message: I was happy to see that smiley in the sentence "Your rate is higher" :-) I am not a strong player and most important reason for 2000+ rating here is the fact that I have used lots of time and effort for my games (lately a bit less, and sadly that is showing). Also I know clearly stronger players than me who have very unbalanced chess skills are rather ridiculous opinions considering the importance of opening-middlegame-endgame. And dont worry about your English, my English sucks too :-) ——— World's No. 1 Chess Player Widens Lead Over His Biggest Rivals — History will record 1990 as a great year for chess players: it was when three of the current top 25 players in the world were born. The youngest of the three is Magnus Carlsen of Norway, who is No. 1 in the world. Of the other two, Maxime Vachier-Lagrave of France is No. 18, and Sergey Karjakin, who was born in Ukraine but now plays for Russia, is No. 21. Under different circumstances, Karjakin and Vachier-Lagrave would be considered potential world chess champions. But just as the talented players in the 2003 N.B.A. draft have labored in LeBron James’s shadow, Karjakin and Vachier-Lagrave have been eclipsed by Carlsen. In Karjakin’s case, it is puzzling. He was the youngest ... |
| Posted by coyotefan uskidscompute.com 6/02/2003 05:54:50 Play online chess | I would disagree Message: I would say 80-15-5. If you lose the opening, you lose. End of story. Of course this is assuming that everything else is equal. |
| Posted by coyotefan uskidscompute.com 6/02/2003 06:02:02 Play online chess | Addendum Message: If the question is how much time should be spent preparing/studying each phase of the game I would say it is more 25/50/25. The middlegame, at least to me is the most difficult period. I see it all the time in OTB play, as well as here, a player plays a book opening, then their opponent throws a curve ath them, and BOOM, they blunder. To me, the mosdt difficult time are the moves right after the book is done. |
| Posted by peppe_l uskidscompute.com 6/02/2003 06:25:57 Play online chess | Coyotefan Message: The point is if you excel in middlegame (both tactics and strategy) you can play the opening reasonably well even if you havent spent so much time for studying openings. "I see it all the time in OTB play, as well as here, a player plays a book opening, then their opponent throws a curve at them, and BOOM, they blunder." Exactly. Because they have spent too much time for studying openings. A player who has studied strategy and tactics will not blunder (at least not so often!), he will find reasonable moves even after his theoretical knowledge ends. "To me, the most difficult time are the moves right after the book is done." And why...? :-) BTW, correction to my previous post: "Also I know clearly stronger players than me who have very unbalanced chess skills are rather ridiculous opinions considering the importance of opening-middlegame-endgame." are = and Sorry... |
| Posted by baseline uskidscompute.com 6/02/2003 06:45:23 Play online chess | How do masters study the opening. Message: masters study the opening by playing throughalot of complete game scores. They are really studying opening,middlegames, and endings when they study the opening. |