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| Posted by lordnguyenvo uskidscompute.com 5/28/2003 14:35:38 Play online chess |  Subject: Who is the current world champion?Message: I haven't heard about chess news for a while so I dont know.Last time i heard the FIDE champ is Anand and the PCA champ is Kramnik.Is there any new change? |
| Posted by brucehum uskidscompute.com 5/28/2003 14:46:11 Play online chess | Yes Message: Current PCA champ (not PCA anymore, Einstein Group World Chess Champion is the name now) is still Kramnik, but FIDE championship is yearly, and the last one to win it was Ponomariov! He defeated Ivanchuk. That's why Ponomariov will have to face Kasparov in a semi final, and Kramnik will have to face Leko (who won Dortmund, which was qualifier). |
| Posted by zdrak uskidscompute.com 5/28/2003 14:46:39 Play online chess | Message: - The FIDE championship is Ruslan Ponomariov. - Kramnik posesses the esoteric title of "BrainGames World Champion", although he'd rather refer to himself as "Classical Chess World Champion" - In addition, we have "World's #1 player", as Kasparov likes to call himself now that he has now official title (well, he's got a case, he IS the #1 in the rating list) - And who can forget the geriatric Bobby Fischer, World Champion Of His Own Design. I hope I didn't forget any champions ?! |
| Posted by myway316 uskidscompute.com 5/28/2003 14:55:06 Play online chess | It's been reported... Message: ...in the London Chess Centre Newsletter #44,that the Einstein Goup has admitted it can't meet the financial requirements for the Kramnik-Leko match,so it is unknown if the unification matches will come off any time soon,if ever. |
| Posted by tulkos uskidscompute.com 5/28/2003 15:08:59 Play online chess | AND SO---- Message: THE CHESS WORLD IS IN A MESS!!HERE THERE AND EVERYWHERE!! |
| Posted by bluebabygirl uskidscompute.com 5/28/2003 16:51:17 Play online chess | to tulkos and anyone else Message: yes the CHESS WORLD is a mess right now !! IF ONLY FISCHER WOULD COME BACK BEAT THEM ALL, UNIFY THE TITLE AGAIN AS ONLY HE COULD DO IT ! THEN HE COULD STOP ALL TERRORISM ,, SAVE THE WORLD AND ETC, ETC, ETC , WELL YOU GET THE PICTURE . OOPS, OOPS , sorry did I bring up that name again???? YOURS BLUEBABYGIRL |
| Posted by verticalchess uskidscompute.com 5/28/2003 17:58:54 Play online chess | babygirl... Message: you blurted out a ridiculous comment about Fischer in an unrelated post - the world of chess is better off without him so just let it be. |
| Posted by bluebabygirl uskidscompute.com 5/28/2003 18:34:21 Play online chess | to verticalchess Message: really look up above at zdrak's comment . i believe he cited FISCHER!!! Apparently you do not read too well do you ?? Since when is talking about FISCHER not talking chess?? furthermore in the chess world FISCHER love him or hate him is always a chess related topic. also last but not least im usa freedom of speech ever hear of it ?Still more - how can you talk about world champ and not cite FISCHER as far as i know nobody actually played him and took the title !!!AND MOST IMPORTANT i DONT BLURT OUT ANYTHING !! I HAVE KNOWLEDGE OF TOPICS I CHOSE TO SPEAK ON OR ELSE I DO NOT COMMENT !! THIS IS LAST TIME I CHECKED A CHESS RELATED FORUM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! IT WOULD SEEM TO ME YOU BLURTED OUT A STATEMENT DIRECTED AT ME WHEN I WAS RESPONDING TO TULKOS AND ANYONE ELSE - THAT INCLUDES ZDRAK - READ YOU WILLL SEE HE CITED FISCHER BUT YOU CHOSE TO TRY TO EMBARASS ME !! HOWEVER YOUR LAST STATEMENT WAS YOUR OWN PERSONAL OPINION I PRESUME SO ITS PERFECTLY RELEVANT TO THE TOPIC!! YOURS BLUEBABYGIRL |
| Posted by verticalchess uskidscompute.com 5/28/2003 18:56:46 Play online chess | ! Message: Well the caps aren't necessary because there is no need to yell in the forum. The reason for my comment is that in most of the threads I have read that you either started or contributed too it seems as if you view Fischer as God and the answer to all questions/issues/problems in the chess world. I didn't mean to embarass you but I was trying to make a point. Wrong choice of words on my part... |
| Posted by myway316 uskidscompute.com 5/28/2003 18:57:09 Play online chess | Sorry,BBG... Message: but I've got to agree with verticalchess: the chess world is better off without Fischer. Besides,if you think Fischer could beat Kasparov,Pono,Leko,Kramnik,or any other world class GM right now,you're living in a fantasy world. |
| Posted by bluebabygirl uskidscompute.com 5/28/2003 19:24:51 Play online chess | to vertical Message: you apparently do not understand my sense of humor most comments i make about fischer are exgaerrated for effect and i only view fischer's chess as great not him . my quip about him winning beating everyon=e stopping terrorism etc solving worlds problem was just such an example !!and you read in most forums i either started or contributed too that i viewed fischer as etc. when i stated over and over that his chess is what i admire . also so you maybe misunderstood my real view of fischer the man . i only admire fischer the chessplayer .to myway316 well my friend how on earth would you know IF fischer could or could not beat those players you cited??? there would be many a player on this site that would agree that fischer would beat any of them in a match . however my comments are not meant to upset anybody . they are only for discussing chess related topics . personally i think he would beat pono or leko quite easily . as for others maybe maybe not !! but none you cited can be declared so strong that they are absolutely able to beat him . we all have opinions so that was mine . by the way i am a rubinstein and tal - bronstein admirer mostly . |
| Posted by lordnguyenvo uskidscompute.com 5/28/2003 19:44:04 Play online chess | Ruslan Ponomariov is still young,isn't he? Message: He was a GM by the age of 14(13?)? |
| Posted by chess_champion uskidscompute.com 5/28/2003 22:42:51 Play online chess | world champions Message: there have been many in the past and they were all great but no one person lasts forever reigning as the world champion. currently the players myway316 stated are all excellent and kasparov is problably the best in my opinion proved by his rating (yes i know rating is not everything)... however fischer had the second highest rating ever recorded right behind kasparov. all those players are potential candidates for world champion at some point in time. even though fischer is not my favourite chess player he was one of the best and as stated he could probably beat many of todays top players and vice versa. i tend to follow ratings to tell who the better player is or was because they all have their strong points and its one way of indicated who is or was better. |
| Posted by peppe_l uskidscompute.com 5/29/2003 04:54:44 Play online chess | Oh well Message: Even a thread about current world champion leads to Bobby Fischer, 1972-75 world champion who has absolutely nothing to do with current world champion. The last time he played was 1992, and even though he played on strong GM level, he was no longer world champion candidate. Kasparov is number one on rating list but he has no case since he lost the match vs Kramnik. End of story. Tha means current world champions are Ponomariov and Kramnik. If I have to choose, I consider Kramnik "real" champion because 1) He beat number one on rating list in a classical match. 2) FIDE championship cycle is a joke - short matches, blitz time controls...give me a break. It might be good at ICC but not when we are talking about deciding world champion. Just my 2 cents... |
| Posted by bluebabygirl uskidscompute.com 5/31/2003 22:29:18 Play online chess | to any or peppe_l Message: ok i do not see it this way!!!! -- but i have talked to some chessplayers that think Fischer was never beat for the crown,, so he is still world champ.. So yes his name comes up any time you talk about chess or world champ ! My dad says many strong players at chess club still consider fischer as undefeated world champ. so go figure its not much difference with whats going on now in the chess world with several people being considered as world champ!!! yours bluebabygirl |
| Posted by winslow_hendershot uskidscompute.com 5/31/2003 22:50:58 Play online chess | In that case Message: is Morphy still a champion too? |
| Posted by atrifix uskidscompute.com 5/31/2003 22:56:33 Play online chess | Morphy Message: was never officially recognized as world champion. |
| Posted by bluebabygirl uskidscompute.com 5/31/2003 23:06:46 Play online chess | to winslow Message: no MR. Paul Morphy is dead !! so is Lasker ,Capablanca and Alekhine!!!! I just thought I would let you know we were talking of living champs not dead past great champs . and yes Robert James Fischer is still alive . yours bluebabygirl / |
| Posted by bluebabygirl uskidscompute.com 5/31/2003 23:12:06 Play online chess | to winslow Message: just ask me and i will tell you which ones are alive and which are dead !! |
| Posted by bellepheron uskidscompute.com 6/01/2003 01:29:42 Play online chess | bluebabygirl Message: I think Winslow was making the point that if you become Champ, and then can't or won't play anyone for it, you don't really have any right to be called Champ anymore. Bobby fischer may as well be dead as Morphy in terms of the World Championship - because he can't or won't come out and beat the current contenders! You can only be champion if you are willing to play. Otherwise why couldn't you stay champion forever if you die with the title?!? |
| Posted by lorddreyfuss uskidscompute.com 6/01/2003 01:31:21 Play online chess | Traditionally speaking... Message: I'd say that Kramnik is THE World Champion, because he defeated Kasparov in a classical match! There is a thread of world champions, which is "broken" only at Fischer/Karpov point, because there was no match! However, I believe that Fischer purposely avoided this match, simply because this way he can still claim to be the World Champion. FIDE championship is definitely a joke... Regards, LD |
| Posted by peppe_l uskidscompute.com 6/01/2003 03:47:35 Play online chess | Bluebabygirl Message: There was a system. Fischer had to defend his title 3 years after becoming champion. That was the only way to stay champion, otherwise it is like Bellepheron says - win the match, quit playing and stay champion till you die. A fair system, quit playing and no one else can become champion as long as you live, no matter how well he plays and how much your skills decline. "My dad says many strong players at chess club still consider fischer as undefeated world champ." Oh no...back to the Fischer myth :-) So, since Fischer has been undefeated world champion since 1972 it means no one else after him has been world champion (since no one of them has beaten world champion Fischer in the match for world championship). That means Karpov, Kasparov, Kramnik, Khalifman, Anand, Ponomariov have never been world champions. And of course no one of them can become world champion as long as Fischer lives, so tough luck guys... |
| Posted by baseline uskidscompute.com 6/01/2003 17:01:05 Play online chess | peppe_l Message: You never pass up a chance to bash Fischer do you. |
| Posted by bluebabygirl uskidscompute.com 6/01/2003 17:01:43 Play online chess | to peppe Message: you said oh no ...back to the Fischer myth:-) sorry to have to inform you but Robert James Fischer was and is no MYTH!! He actually lived and became world champ much as that displeases so many people . as for my quote you referred to My dad says many strong players at the club still consider Fischer the undefeated world champ. that is only statement that he is only world champ to go undefeated!!! it is not a statement that other champs do not exist . it really only places a question mark on KARPOV,, not anyone else. as for his forfeit refusing to defend well there are many valid reasons he gave . try looking them up . he mostly was trying to take ownership of the title away from FIDE . we all know what a crooked and still is crooked organization that FIDE is. i bet you did not complain when Kasparov tried same thing . BBG |
| Posted by baseline uskidscompute.com 6/01/2003 17:40:34 Play online chess | bbg Message: Fischer is retired, and has been for 30 years (with the exception of the 92 match with Spassky) No one seriously thinks he has a claim to the current world championship. peppe_l who was it who coined the phrase "Fischerphycosis" everytime someone mentions Fischer off you go. Did it ever occur to you that some of these people are just pulling your chain? |
| Posted by superblunder uskidscompute.com 6/01/2003 19:56:17 Play online chess | KRAMNIK Message: is the world champ. He is the best player in the world today. Any serious student of chess knows what an awesome player that Gary Kasparov is and I hvae studied in depth their world championship match, I own the book, and Kramnik played almost flawlessly, unrelenting perfect chess against Kasparov, ALSO HE DIDN'T LOSE A SINGEL GAME AGAINST KASPAROV IN THEOR WORLD CHAMPION MATCH OF SIXTEEN GAMES, WHILE WINNING TWO!!! Kramnik is the best in the world, and I think he will win the upcoming world champion reunification match. |
| Posted by bluebabygirl uskidscompute.com 6/01/2003 21:24:12 Play online chess | re Message: i agree that kramnik is strongest player and will win next match , his defeating kasparov that decisively is definite proof!!! superblunder you are right on !! yours bluebabygirl |
| Posted by peppe_l uskidscompute.com 6/02/2003 04:13:35 Play online chess | Baseline Message: Where did I bash Fischer? My point was IMO Fischer is no longer world champion. I also critisized the idea that one can win the title, refuse to defend it and retire as undefeated champion (note - I am referring to a situation where the player claims to KEEP his championship even after losing it on forfeit). Is this bashing? Here is a quote from your post, "Fischer is retired, and has been for 30 years (with the exception of the 92 match with Spassky) No one seriously thinks he has a claim to the current world championship." It seems you agree 100% I suppose soon we will have a thread "Fischer is God" - and of course if I say he is not, people will accuse me for bashing. |
| Posted by peppe_l uskidscompute.com 6/02/2003 05:12:41 Play online chess | bluebabygirl Message: "sorry to have to inform you but Robert James Fischer was and is no MYTH!! He actually lived and became world champ..." Really? I wasnt aware Fischer was chess world champion. I thought he was a tic-tac-toe player :-) Sorry I must be in wrong thread since I though Kramnik and Kasparov were tic-tac-toe players as well... "that is only statement that he is only world champ to go undefeated!!! it is not a statement that other champs do not exist . it really only places a question mark on KARPOV" So we agree after all(?). You are not claiming Fischer is current champion...? Now, here is your post. Read it again and tell me does it sound like you are talking about Fischer as a CURRENT champion candidate or not. For example "so he is still world champ..." "ok i do not see it this way!!!! -- but i have talked to some chessplayers that think Fischer was never beat for the crown,, so he is still world champ.. So yes his name comes up any time you talk about chess or world champ ! My dad says many strong players at chess club still consider fischer as undefeated world champ. so go figure its not much difference with whats going on now in the chess world with several people being considered as world champ!!! yours bluebabygirl" And yeah...Karpov. If he wasnt world champ (because he never played Fischer) how Kasparov - who took the title from someone who wasnt world champ - could be world champ? :-) If winning the title by forfeit does not count, you can only become champ by beating a champ (unless champ is dead like it was the case with Alekhine). Right? Karpov never beat a champ and neither did Kasparov. And since you agree Fischer is no longer champ, we must agree no one is champ. "as for his forfeit refusing to defend well there are many valid reasons he gave . try looking them up ." Enough. Look, I like the fact that you have opinions, it doesnt really matter if they are different from mine (in fact thats good, why discuss at all if everyone always agrees?). However since you seem to believe it is necessary to inform me that Fischer really was chess world champ (!) 72-75 I have to assume you consider my knowledge about Fischer nonexistent. Also you suggest me to look up for the valid reasons you were referring to. Why cant you reveal them to me? And please, no more beliefs and generalities. Give me specific information - details, dates, official documents, statements of both Fischer and FIDE. Give me FACTS. My sources of information are few books plus several articles and documents, so I am sure you can expand my knowledge. Since this thread is about current world champions, I politely ask you to write me a private message where you give in-depth report of Fisches vs FIDE case regarding 1975 world championship match. I am looking forward hearing from you. Yours sincerely Peppe PS. To everyone - I hope this will be the last time I have to point Fischer is one of my favourite players. I like his logical, often Capablanca-influenced style (yes Fischer was more agressive than Capa, but some of his games represent the same clarity nevertheless) and his ability to calculate still amazes me. As a chess player he is one of my favourites. I also like the fact that he increased the popularity of chess and gave everyone lots of important topics to discuss about :-) The reason I tend to be "against" him in discussions here is the fact that whenever people make claims I consider ridiculous, well - often they are about Fischer or Morphy. If someone claims Fischer is still world champion or Morphy could beat Kasparov, I disagree. If that is bashing, well, what can I do? Perhaps I should quote Douglas Wambaugh (from great TV series, Picket Fences) : maybe its because Im Finn? :-) (note - not American like those who can mock Fischer as much as they want without being accused for bashing) |
| Posted by baseline uskidscompute.com 6/02/2003 06:21:16 Play online chess | peppe_l Message: People are making ridculous claims on this forum all the time. But, whenever they bring up Fischer you always have to have the last word. People are going to believe what they want no mater what you or I say, but as long as you let this aggrarvate you they will continue to bring it up. |
| Posted by peppe_l uskidscompute.com 6/02/2003 07:14:49 Play online chess | Baseline Message: It isnt aggravating me and I certainly dont need to have the last word every time, although I do admit _sometimes_ (when Bobby is clearly OT) it IS a bit annoying when every single discussion leads to him, almost like no thread is complete without Bobby Fischer :-) But for example if we have a thread about Fischer...the point is he is one of the most interesting topics for a discussion there is - great player, controversial person, not to mention his colourful life. So I am not annoyed when people talk about Fischer, vice versa, I enjoy participating discussions about him. Of course it is a bit annoying when some folks get angry whenever someone dares to critisize him (especially someone from Finland, remember the thread where someone claimed I critisized Fischer only because Im jealous to USA having more grandmasters than Finland?) and clearly incapable of sensible discussion. Why people are so emotional about Fischer? I mean I support my countryman Kimi Räikkönen in Formula 1 but I dont get upset (let alone start throwing insults) every time someone critisizes him, Finn or not :-) Yes I was a bit disappointed when you accused me for bashing Fischer even though it is clear my posts in this thread have nothing to do with bashing good ol Bobby. I suppose you simply misunderstood something I wrote, considering your excellent comments in our previous discussions it is hard for me to believe otherwise. Yours Peppe |
| Posted by baseline uskidscompute.com 6/03/2003 04:15:17 Play online chess | peppe_l Message: ok you have a problem with people who bring up Fischer all the time! It is tiresome but why do you feel you have to rebutt them everytime? My advise to you ,as a friend, is just ignore them when they start up with Fischer. Some people have more fun playing the "Forum" game than playing chess. I don't think it's a big enough deal to let yourself get annoyed over. Your a good guy & I like you and how you feel about Fischer one way or the other isn't going to change that. And please feel free to ignore my advise, my other friends do. |
| Posted by blatman uskidscompute.com 6/03/2003 04:20:29 Play online chess | Why not bash Message: Fischer should be bashed; he's very bashable. Great chess player. Daft as a brush. Blatman(perhaps the greatest Blatman there's ever been) |
| Posted by peppe_l uskidscompute.com 6/03/2003 05:05:20 Play online chess | Baseline Message: I am certainly not going to ignore your advice! In fact I have ignored some people who have a habit of using the chess-related topic as an excuse to start a fight and throw some insults (it is true there have been situations where I should have ignored them right from the start). The point is IMO Bluebabygirl isnt one of them, and neither are you, so there is no need to ignore anyone. To put it simply I am not annoyed by people who bring up Fischer, unless interesting topics turn into OT Fischer discussions (here I share my part of the blame for that heh)...and to be honest even then it is only mildly annoying... My friend Baseline, I suppose my posts give somewhat wrong picture of me...I write them very quickly, rarely (almost never) bother to read them before posting, let alone correct my several spelling errors :-) I guess they give an impression that I am annoyed, even aggravated, even though that is not the case at all. Maybe I have to pay more attention to the way I write, but now I am relaxing and eating pizza before I continue moving furniture to my new apartment...so for now its post without preview :-) Peppe |
| Posted by bogg uskidscompute.com 6/03/2003 05:54:14 Play online chess | champions Message: Was Fischer the best player of his time? Of course. Was he the best player to date? Maybe, no one has destroyed their nearest competitors as he did. The ratings are not an indicator as they do not compare apples to apples. Even a good rating system only compares people within the pool. Is Fischer World champion? No. he gave up that title, just like Kasparov did, by not competing within the rules of the recognized organization. Who is World Champion now? Ponomariov. Who is the best player in the world today? Kramnik. To bad these last two don't coincide. |
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