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| Posted by buddy2 uskidscompute.com 5/18/2003 14:34:38 Play online chess |  Subject: Morphy and FischerMessage: Has anyone noticed the similarities between the lives and careers of Morphy and Fischer? They both reached the top of the chess world, then abruptly decided that chess was useless and descended into paranoia. Both represented the New World vs the Old. Their games are also similar in that both are tactical and direct in their playing style. Morphy became insane at the end of his life. I suspect, sadly, that the same will happen to Fischer. |
| Posted by gambitnut uskidscompute.com 5/18/2003 14:39:16 Play online chess | Message: You mean you don't think he is insame yet? |
| Posted by furryfunbundle uskidscompute.com 5/18/2003 14:45:46 Play online chess | Good one Gambitnut :-) Message: Sad to say, if "normal" is defined by conformance of behaviour "within" a spectum of social tolerance, then Fischer (and he was my boyhood hero) is way outside of that. ——— Chess: Carlsen's sublime plan — Magnus Carlsen took the lead at the London Chess Classic with understated but effective play: here's how he did it. The world chess no. 1 Magnus Carlsen took an early lead in the London Chess Classic by winning this game. He has sacrificed two pawns for the attack, but there is no obvious breakthrough. How did he make progress? RB: It took me a little while to realise just how solid White's position is. It's not apparent at first glance – those isolated pawns on a2 and c3, the hanging bishop on c4 and the slightly weakened king position. But take a closer look and you'll see that Black has no invasion points. White has everything protected and has a great position. Which is exactly the problem, because ... |
| Posted by bluebabygirl uskidscompute.com 5/18/2003 15:05:47 Play online chess | re- any Message: is fischer insane . maybe we only think he is . maybe he is playing a little game with us . is it just possible that you can only judge genius if you are a genius also ?????I seem to recall many a famous person being labelled insane during his or her lifetime , only to be considered a genius by us now , with us laughing at those that called that person insane way back then. there are many examples of this . there are many examples of this in the world of ART!!!! yours bluebabygirl ——— Vishy Anand: I found Bobby Fischer surprisingly normal and calm — The world chess champion on analysing with the legendary American, being a new dad and his love of Monty Python. Q: How does it feel to be back for the London Chess Classic? It's excellent. I enjoy this tournament immensely. It's a great showcase for chess in Britain and it has the worthy aim of building chess in schools too. Q: So when enthusiastic kids ask how they can become chess masters, what do you tell them? Just keep playing often. Concepts fall into place only when you get them on the board. It's a bit like learning a language; it's nice to read a book, but only when you speak to someone does it all start to fall into place. Q: When you are preparing for major chess tournaments like London how many hours a day do you devote to getting ready? As much as it takes – up to 10 hours if needed – plus another two or three hours during the tournament. Q: And how do you prepare ... |
| Posted by myway316 uskidscompute.com 5/18/2003 15:58:54 Play online chess | bluebabygirl Message: Don't get carried away by unthinking hero worship.Fischer,for all his chess talent,is a miserable,hate-filled excuse for a human being. If you don't believe me,log on to some of the sites that carry his radio interviews of the last 3 years.Will you still respect a no-good,psychotic louse,who claims he cheered what happened on 9/11? Much to learn still,you have,my young Padawan. ——— 8-Year-Old American Wins a World Championship — America has a new world champion, and he is only 8 years old. The new titleholder, Awonder Liang of Wisconsin, tied for first in the under-8 section of the World Youth Chess Championship in Brazil, which ended last weekend. He took the gold medal on tie-breakers. Awonder almost ran away from the field, winning his first seven games before drawing his eighth and then losing in the last round. He was not the only American to medal. In the under-10 section, Ruifeng Li of Texas took the silver, also on tie-breakers. And in the girls’ under-14 group, Sarah Chiang, another Texan, narrowly missed out on the bronze medal when she tied for third. But under the tie-breaker scoring system, she finished fourth. One of ... |
| Posted by gothicgirl uskidscompute.com 5/18/2003 17:09:48 Play online chess | Fischer Message: I think, that Fischer is an insane Person! He really gave many examples of it! Many of us cant maybe accept this, because Fischer is a chess idol, a person from somewhere else, a god. so it is not easy to accept, that such a person can be mentally ill, that he can be something, what a god normally cannot be. But like all of us, Fischer is a human being, someone who has his bad and his good sides! one of the good is for sure his talent in chess and what he made of it! so when someone choose Fischer as an idol, it is absolutely justified!! Fischer is a real chess genious and we can all learn a lot from his way of playing chess! he really did a lot for this game! But talking about Fischer as a person that is something else! On this level he is a human being, like we are all! it doesnt mean, that he cant be a chess genious! he is, also for me............ ——— On Chess: Online games clear so many barriers — At its best, technology enhances our interaction with the world and ourselves. It allows us to transcend physical limitations. For chess players, Internet play can be a godsend. Time, space, age and health restrictions are diminished. It’s fun to go online and play game after game against a series of opponents at varying times and with time limits of your choice. Whether it’s 3 a.m. or one is a shut-in on Tierra del Fuego, or both, it’s possible to summon a willing chess foe from cyberspace. And if you lose, your anonymity can shield you even from the opponent. Online play, therefore, provides a haven for experimentation that isn’t easily available at a chess club. The games, electronically recorded and available for review, offer ... |
| Posted by buddy2 uskidscompute.com 5/18/2003 17:10:34 Play online chess | insanity and genius Message: What makes people think insanity and genius are mutually exclusive? I just wonder how it feels to turn your back on the only real talent you have. Now he's turned his back on his country. What does he have left? ——— Hou Yifan puts Humpy Koneru in her pocket yet again — If chess is ritualised psychological domination, China's Hou Yifan has Humpy Koneru in her pocket. Hou, the world women's chess champion at the age of 17, has just retained her title by defeating her Indian challenger 5.5-2.5 without losing a game. Tirana, Albania was the improbable venue which provided a €200,000 (£172,000) prize fund. The pair are the highest ranked women apart from Hungary's legend Judit Polgar who is in a class of her own and never competes in all-female chess events. On paper it should have been a close match but Hou had already twice eliminated Koneru from the biennial knockout world chess championships. In Tirana the Indian lacked confidence and ... |
| Posted by myway316 uskidscompute.com 5/18/2003 17:17:51 Play online chess | excuse me,gothicgirl Message: but Fischer doesn't have a good side! |
| Posted by gambitnut uskidscompute.com 5/18/2003 17:33:43 Play online chess | Not to his personality ... Message: ... but I think gothicgirl was counting his chess talent as his "good side". |
| Posted by raimon uskidscompute.com 5/18/2003 17:46:41 Play online chess | Tragic to think Message: that the same energy that inspired him to brilliance on the chessboard, has fuelled his anger and hostility. |
| Posted by gothicgirl uskidscompute.com 5/18/2003 17:48:46 Play online chess | to myway316 Message: do you say that, because you have known Fischer personally? For me it would be difficult to say, that someone doesnt have a good side, when Ive never met him. |
| Posted by bluebabygirl uskidscompute.com 5/18/2003 18:24:07 Play online chess | re- Message: i agree it would be difficult for me to say a person has no good side . if i did not personally know that person VERY WELL . however when i give FISCHER praise ,its only in regard to his CHESS not his personality. i think most that quote (worship) him really also are talking about his chess not his personality. so gothicgirl's reply to myway316 is appropriate . sorry myway316 but we differ in regards Fischer you include his personal life in with his chess life wheras I chose to seperate the two. Am I the only one that noticed more division and controversy in regards to Fischer than anything else on this site???? you must admit he has those who love his chess and those who hate him!!yours bluebabygirl |
| Posted by myway316 uskidscompute.com 5/18/2003 19:05:36 Play online chess | Yes,BBG Message: we must differ. Even when he was playing chess,Fischer spoiled it by his paranoia,his prima donna behavior,and his hatred of Jews,which has always been a part of his make-up. Whatever Fischer accomplished on the chess-board has been totally negated by his warped and twisted sociopathy. Not even the most fanatic Fischer apologists can gloss over the fact that this fruitcake found pleasure that 3,000 people died,simply becuse it happened here in the US,theuntry that he turned his back on. Genius in a field does not excuse such monstrous,pathetic evil. |
| Posted by jean-marc uskidscompute.com 5/18/2003 19:21:58 Play online chess | What has he said ? Message: What exactly did poor old Fisher say to be called "such a monstrous, pathetic evil" ? Did he actually say he found pleasure in 3000 people dying ? |
| Posted by bluebabygirl uskidscompute.com 5/18/2003 20:03:25 Play online chess | re Message: yes but all his great play was before his recent years and his insane attitude !! Suppose your favorite sports hero ( baseball , football, golf etc. )after many years and becoming great , then he went insane and did crazy things . i think maybe even you would say , yes true but wasn't he so great at so and so back then. because even in my limited short life i've heard that said by some adults ! as i recall most his antics involving chess was for the betterment of chess and chess players, money , conditions etc. i know i may be very young and i may be a little hero worship (I ACTUALLY RESERVE THAT FOR RUBINSTEIN ), (yes i know he kinda went crazy a little too)but i reallly do think aplayers career and his personal life should be considered apart ! yours BBG |
| Posted by jean-marc uskidscompute.com 5/18/2003 21:30:53 Play online chess | Crazy ?!? Message: I just want to see the actual text of what he said. Did he actually say "I took pleasure in 3000 dying" ? We also have to remember that the USA prides itself for being a democracy. Freedom of speech allows people to express themselves. Shouldn't we allow them that freedom, even if we detest what they say ? I'm probably an old liberal, but I think it's dangerous to crucify people for expressing an opinion. No matter how distastful if may be to us. ...otherwise, if we get into witch hunts for heretic views, aren't we doing what we criticised the Soviets, Castro, Suddam, et al. for ? |
| Posted by bluebabygirl uskidscompute.com 5/18/2003 21:56:06 Play online chess | re - to - jean-marc Message: your last line was right on the point!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!BBG |
| Posted by gambitnut uskidscompute.com 5/18/2003 22:02:05 Play online chess | Here you go jean-marc! Message: www.chesstheory.de/html.php3?loc=fisher12.html |
| Posted by jean-marc uskidscompute.com 5/18/2003 23:14:16 Play online chess | Nasty !!! Message: Thanx gambitnut. For some reason, I was only able to access the first interview, but I get the drift... Not a happy camper is he ? I certainly wouldn't like to invite him over for a cup of tea. Why did the Government sell his "stuff", does anyone know ? OK, he doesn't express himself very nicely. There is certainly a lot of hate/resentment in what he says. I don't know about calling him a "monstrous,pathetic evil", though. After all he hasn't killed anyone. His rhetoric is certainly distasteful, if not downright racist. However, I suggest the following famous quote: "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it" (Beatrice Hall, 1906) PS: Another consideration... Do we really know for sure that was him speaking ? It wouldn't be hard to fake, since not too many people have seen or heard him recently. After all, they faked the Hitler diaries, a few years ago. Faking a telephone interview with Fisher couldn't be too hard (not to mention the unreliability of stuff you find on the Internet)... |
| Posted by jean-marc uskidscompute.com 5/19/2003 00:05:43 Play online chess | No wonder... Message: I've just done a bit of Internet research myself... Please have a look at this site: www.ishipress.com/bobbyout.htm There's another side to this story, it seems. First it seems that Mr Fisher was misquoted. Second, have a read... The poor guy is an international fugitive because he dared to play chess in Yougoslavia. Apparently he is facing 10 years in jail for that awful crime. This is scary. No wonder the guy's not happy. Has the world gone crazy ? |
| Posted by desertfox uskidscompute.com 5/19/2003 01:02:20 Play online chess | Bobby Fischer is not insane Message: He played Spassky in Yugoslavia in 1992. Big deal! Yugoslavia was attacked by the USA, not the other way around. They helped the Kosovars (moslems) against the Christian Serbs. Kosovars were helped by El Kaida and other "benevolent" moslems, such as the Saudis. Later the same moslems "rewarded" the USA for its help by falling the Twin Towers and all the other terrorist acts perpetrated since. Bobby has the right to play chess whereever he feels like it. He told the truth about many things and people don't like to hear it. Maybe his interviews were the subject of "photomontage", maybe not. He said he is an all around genius. About Kasparov he said: "A piece of garbage like Kasparov might be called a chess genius, but he is like an idiot savant, outside of chess he knows nothing". Bobby is not insane he is a man with the IQ of a genius. Kasparov on the other end tried to cheat so as not to lose to Judit Polgar (what a loser, reminds me of those time cheaters and draw offerers in some blitz sites). Bobby Fischer tells the truth about the US and Israeli governments (I am Israeli, but the Truth is a Truth (Bobby's version is A Knight is a Knight, I believe). Either some of you don't understand he is right in many of his statements, or you don't like what he says and prefer to believe the official line of US and Israeli political figures. In chess, Bobby was second only to the legendary Capablanca. Capablanca was a Cuban ambassador, but from Bobby's interviews we see he has much more guts. Capa would never have had the guts to say what Bobby said. Desertfox |
| Posted by brucehum uskidscompute.com 5/19/2003 03:18:30 Play online chess | I agree, in part Message: I agree with Desertfox in part. Of course some of the things Fischer said in 1992 have some truth to it. Both the Israeli government and the US government (and you could add here 99% of the governments of the world) are known for their 'make-up' of reality. About Kasparov "outside of chess he knows nothing" is obviously false. It may be just a wonderful memory, but Kasparov is known for his history knowledge, although he uses that knowledge to support strange theories. Kasparov is a very good player. One of the best, yet. Ironic that Fischer said that, as in 1972 he said "I only know how to play chess, although I do that quite well." He is free to have his points of view, Fischer, be them as crazy or radical as he wants. |
| Posted by buddy2 uskidscompute.com 5/19/2003 08:49:20 Play online chess | disagee with myway216 Message: I don't agree with myway216. You have to separate chess from politics, philosophy, etc. No matter what Fischer thinks or says, his games are a pleasure to play over. Wagner was an antisemite but people still love his music. Shakespeare went along with the Jewish cliche of his time, but Merchant of Venice is still great. Am I on the wrong track here? |
| Posted by bluebabygirl uskidscompute.com 5/22/2003 19:27:25 Play online chess | to buddy2 Message: I think you are on the right track. I believe a person should love chess games as chess games , not to worry about sex, age or politics of persons that played them !!! the value is IN THE GAME and the game only . however i know it will always be a controversy when the name FISCHER IS part of it !!! yours bluebabygirl |
| Posted by rubicox uskidscompute.com 5/23/2003 14:51:49 Play online chess | you must be insane to be genious Message: you must be insane to be genious, look at einstien for instance he couldnt remember were his car was parked for 20 ears even though it was parked in the same place every time, Van Gogh, he cut off his ear, nuff said. morphy and fischer are in no way unusual, i remember this study that said that GMs have a 15 percent higher chance of skitsophrenia than the normal population, 30% higher in acute deppression. many shrinks say that a high IQ is the result of a chemecal imbalance in the brain that makes you smart but sevearly hampers your social apptitude. I have a minor case of theat, i got an IQ of 145 but have NO, positively NO social life, i consider it normal for geniouses to be a bit odd, after all they are on a plane of there own |
| Posted by badjessie uskidscompute.com 6/24/2003 17:39:25 Play online chess | fisher Message: goood old fischer was the best . usa told him not to play but he had reall guts told them where to shove it . i hate to agree with little ms. bbg but on this she is right his chess is the best even better than capablanca. if he is crazy then to bad. but his past games were played before that . i think he is the greatest better than capablanca and kasparov too. later dudes... |
| Posted by mate_you_in_fifty uskidscompute.com 6/24/2003 18:01:15 Play online chess | well,I'm a late arrival Message: but I have to say that Fischer's personality should not be brought into a chess discussion.His games were great. I wonder how many,if any, would hate him if he was venting anger on some nondescript country? Being different,in today's world,is being construed as being insane. |
| Posted by honololou uskidscompute.com 6/24/2003 18:18:47 Play online chess | He's just... Message: an exciteable boy. |