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Posted by gibo
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3/04/2003
21:40:15

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Subject: I need some good books on a good defence for black

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But i dont like playing ruy lopez.

thanks


Posted by desertfox
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3/04/2003
22:59:59

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Books?

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Do what many people do. Play c5 in response to e4 and play the Sicilian defense. That way you avoid the Ruy Lopez. The net is full of articles about different variants of the Sicilian. If you like positional games play e6 in response to e4 and play the French.

Desertfox

P.S Amazone books has a list of chess books.


Posted by gibo
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3/05/2003
01:09:29

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yeah i play the sicilian and the french a lot but im trying to find something else, and find a book about it.

Posted by desertfox
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3/05/2003
01:52:22

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Have you heard of

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The famous Latvian Gambit? baffles many of my opponents. You Could find a lot of material about it. In fact there is a world championship were u have to play this gambit with both white and black (thematic tournament as they call it). Johen Elburg is the expert to contact. I can't find his e-mail, but go to MSN search engine , write John Elburg and you will surely find his e-mail address.


Desertfox


Posted by caldazar
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3/05/2003
02:17:42

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I'm curious why you would want to steer away from the Ruy Lopez, the Sicilian, and the French as Black against 1. e4 since these are some of the most well-respected defenses to 1. e4. What types of middlegame positions are you trying to obtain? And is opening study going to help you obtain them?

The answers to that might help posters recommend something, whether it be a specific opening system, or a recommendation that the opening has no bearing on what you're trying to achieve in your games.


Posted by calmrolfe
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3/05/2003
03:55:38

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caldazar

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You play the Ruy Lopez as a Defence ? ....with the Black pieces ??

Now I know where I have been going wrong, I have been using the Ruy Lopez as my standard opening with the White pieces !!

Kind regards,

Cal



Posted by caldazar
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3/05/2003
13:18:17

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Well, obviously Black cannot force the Ruy, but 1. e4 e5 certainly leaves it as a very likely possibility. I interpreted gibo's original post as meaning that he didn't want to play 1... e5 in response to 1.e4 precisely because he didn't wish to play the Black side of the Ruy.

Posted by myway316
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3/05/2003
14:19:45

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A viable alternative for Black...

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...is 1...Nc6,Nimzoviches Defense. However,the best books on this defense(Harding,Fisher,and Hugh Myers)are all out of print.I guess you could try Amazon,ebay,Chess Digest,or the London Chess Centre to see if any of these are available.

Posted by axedrez
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3/05/2003
14:37:01

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After e4 Nc6 d4 e6, doesn't this just transpose back into the French?

Posted by myway316
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3/05/2003
16:40:02

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ajedrez

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The "best" move for Black after 1.e4 Nc6 2.d4 is 2...e5. For myself, if I wanted to play a French,I would play e6 on my first move. Also,after 1.e4 Nc6 2.Nf3,my choice would be 2...d6.

Posted by gibo
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3/05/2003
21:21:04

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im having a bit of a look at the petroff which seems interesting for those who dont know it, it is e4 e5 nf3 nf6 by the way i already play french and sicilian im looking for somethign else also caro-kann looks interesting e4 c6 d4 d5

Posted by caldazar
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3/06/2003
00:52:33

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Hmmm...

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What do you play in the Sicilian? (the Taimanov or Kan, for instance?) It seems like you're gravitating towards sound and very positionally solid structures.

It also sounds like you're trying to take on what will amount to years of diligent opening study, I might add.


Posted by peppe_l
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3/06/2003
03:44:55

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Caro-Kann

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Is defitenitely sound & positional. Lots of Caro books, I heard Joe Callagher has written a good book recently (Starting Out : Caro-Kann or smth) but I dont have any first-hand information about that one.

Posted by judokausa
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3/06/2003
13:23:12

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openings

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You should pick openings based on many factors. When starting out in chess you should play openings that reinforce the basic principles of all chess openings first then expand out from there. For beginners (including myself) I would suggest something like the french. It is very sound and very thematic so it is easy to grasp the basic ideas of undermining the center (ie. pawn breaks). This becomes very useful when people are leaving the book on move 5 and you have to formulate your own ideas of what to do.
Many strong masters suggest the french/king's indian complex to start with.
I can understand how it is easier to grab a book and just rattle off moves from them but it is not beneficial for the long term.
I suggest reading the novice nook articles about openings at chesscafe.com. Here is the author's site with back articles.
mywebpages.comcast.net/danheisman/Articles/Novice_Nook_Links.htm
here is another great site
www.exeter.ac.uk/~dregis/DR/Canon/canonidx.html
Another great place to ask questions is.
www.chessville.com

If you want a book on openings get NCO or MCO and Fine's idea's behind the chess openings.
Good luck in your chess career.
(ps These suggestions are a distillation of what GM's and IM's have told me.)


Posted by drgandalf
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3/06/2003
21:58:18

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Gibo

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I looked up your rating on GK. You are a peer of most of my students. I teach them to open solidly, without regard to opening books.

I emphasise the endgame and tactics, and I give them a strong foundation in positional theory.

I suggest you follow judokausa's advice. It is quite sound.

I recommend two excellent books for beginners: for tactics, I recommend "Chess Tactics for Beginners" by Fred Reinfeld, Wilshire Book Company, North Hollywood, CA, USA. I do not have an email address.

For endings, I recommend "Practical Endgame Weapons, Volume One" by Scott gru-Bell, grucopublishing@hotmail.com.

Both of these books give you the very basics in extremely readable form. They are the simplest books on their respective topics that I know of. For that reason, mastering these two books will propel your skill level far, far more than studying opening books.

Keep me posted as to how your skills increase and best of luck in this adventure.





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