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| Posted by chessmasterronat uskidscompute.com 3/04/2003 13:13:00 Play online chess |  Subject: Legals mate:lose your Queen but win the gameMessage: I have just learned legals mate. Here it is:e4 e5 Nf3 d6 Bc4 Bg4 Nc3 a6 Nxe5 Bxd1 Bxf7+ Ke7 Nd5 mate.Any comments? |
| Posted by chessmasterronat uskidscompute.com 3/04/2003 13:13:40 Play online chess | Message: or questions? |
| Posted by premium_steve uskidscompute.com 3/04/2003 13:22:36 Play online chess | cool :) Message: those kinds of things happen sometimes. usually, with the same sort of set-up, you'll see a Bxf7+ followed by ...Kxf7 and then a knight check to win the minor piece back. white is up a pawn then (he gets his piece back with QxB@g4). this kind of thing works well if the mate isn't there. |
| Posted by chessmasterronat uskidscompute.com 3/04/2003 13:32:12 Play online chess | Message: priemiumsteve, Nxe5 protects the bishop. but from your analysis i know you are a good,well meaning player. |
| Posted by chessmasterronat uskidscompute.com 3/04/2003 13:33:12 Play online chess | typo Message: sorry about the typo premiumsteve |
| Posted by caldazar uskidscompute.com 3/04/2003 14:18:38 Play online chess | Message: I don't believe premiumsteve was referring to this specific position, but rather to a tactical idea in general. The skeleton position is Nf3, Qd1, Bc4 for White and Bg4, Ke8, and the lack of a knight on f6 for Black. White plays Bxf7 Kxf7, Ng5+ (usually White has already played d3 or d4 so that the c1-bishop controls g5) Ke8, Qxg4 winning a pawn with an attack against Black's weakened king. Legall's mate almost never happens (I think I managed to play the basic idea once when I first started playing) because ...Nf6 and ...Nc6 are such natural moves for Black that one or the other is usually played quite early on, whether Black understands fully why it should be played or not. In contrast, the Bxf7+, Ng5+, Qxg4 win a pawn idea occurs a bit more often, usually because Black decides he wants to fiddle with his development before getting around to playing ...Nf6. |
| Posted by nwadvana uskidscompute.com 3/04/2003 14:23:46 Play online chess | Message: I ve been able to play this spectaular mate a few times after i learnt it in some blitz games. Although i dont use the opening from which it occurs, its a nice mate, and a good pattern, which could easily prop up in other positions. |
| Posted by sumsar uskidscompute.com 3/04/2003 14:37:12 Play online chess | but Message: would it not be ruined if black played 5...dxe5? sumsar |
| Posted by caldazar uskidscompute.com 3/04/2003 15:08:51 Play online chess | Sort of Message: After 5... dxe5 there's no mate, but 6. Qxg4 leaves White with a very good position. |
| Posted by sumsar uskidscompute.com 3/04/2003 15:37:01 Play online chess | Well, Message: 5...Qe7 works to and is maybe better, I am not good enough to say. Sumsar |
| Posted by caldazar uskidscompute.com 3/04/2003 16:02:41 Play online chess | Message: No, 5... dxe5 is the relatively best defense. 5... Qe7 is worse because not only does it not prevent 6. Qxg4 but it doesn't even win back the lost minor piece since any attempt to chop the e5-knight is met by Qc8+ and 6... Nd7 is met by 7. Nxf7. |
| Posted by pawntificator uskidscompute.com 3/05/2003 04:25:14 Play online chess | If the knight is on c6 Message: often one will play h3 to try to chase the bishop to h5, in which case white need not fear ...Nxe5. If the bishop simply captures the f3 knight then white has a slightly better position. 1 e4 e5 2 Nf3 d6 3 Bc4 Bg4 4 Nc3 a6 5 h3 Bh5 6 Nxe5 or 5...Bxf3 6 Qxf3 |
| Posted by chessmasterronat uskidscompute.com 3/05/2003 06:33:18 Play online chess | Message: pawntificator, Nxe5 is white's move. |
| Posted by pawntificator uskidscompute.com 3/05/2003 08:11:44 Play online chess | Yes Message: but if the bishop has retreated to h5 then white is OK to try Legals, he even wins a pawn and bishop for knight. |
| Posted by chessmasterronat uskidscompute.com 3/05/2003 09:47:49 Play online chess | Message: right |
| Posted by chessmasterronat uskidscompute.com 3/05/2003 09:47:49 Play online chess | Message: right |
| Posted by metaphoriceagle uskidscompute.com 3/08/2003 14:52:18 Play online chess | try it against beginners Message: but no one else |
| Posted by jean_marc uskidscompute.com 3/08/2003 16:29:22 Play online chess | Why 4.- a6? Message: If I would have been playing black, I would either have played 4.- Nc6 or Nf6. 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 d6 3.Bc4 Bg4 4.Nc3 Nf6-probably continuing with: 5.h3 Bxf3 6.Dxf3 Nc6 7.d3 Nd4 8.Dd1 Be7 Or 4. – Nc6 5. h3 Bxf3 6. Dxf3 Dd7 7. d3 Nd4 8. Dd1 Nf6 I don't understand black’s fourth move 4. - a6. Could someone shed any light? Best Wishes Jean_Marc |
| Posted by pawntificator uskidscompute.com 3/10/2003 00:13:40 Play online chess | it's because Message: this mate only works against people who aren't very good at chess. Nobody would really play a6 |
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