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| Posted by tulkos uskidscompute.com 3/01/2003 09:23:07 Play online chess |  Subject: weird opening,Message: board #649054 |
| Posted by pawntificator uskidscompute.com 3/01/2003 09:39:05 Play online chess | Cyrano Message: is THE MAN! HEY CYRANO!!! CHALLENGE ME TO A GAME PLEASE!!! |
| Posted by gunnarsamuelsson uskidscompute.com 3/01/2003 12:28:36 Play online chess | well Message: Even though Nimzowitsch once said that he didnt know any refutation to the latvian its still an extemely nice thing to see Cyrano master this opening in this way. Its clearly one of the openings that still have mystic and beauty surrounding it, at least my my little knowledge. Guess I just wanted to be part of it in some odd way.. ;) ——— A Nimble Chess Artist — The former U.S. chess champion Hikaru Nakamura is fast. The quicker the pace on the chess board, the more he seems to enjoy playing. His nimble skills helped him to secure a place for the next traditional Amber tournament, a blindfold and rapid chess extravaganza played every spring on the French Riviera. Competing at the NH tournament in Amsterdam, Nakamura, 22, led the Rising Stars to a 26-24 victory over the chess veterans, the Experience team, on Sunday. Another member of the winning team, the young Dutch champion Anish Giri, 16, had an identical 6-4 score as Hikaru, but only one could qualify for the Amber tournament. In the blitz playoff, Nakamura defeated Giri 2-0, ensuring ... |
| Posted by pawntificator uskidscompute.com 3/01/2003 22:44:54 Play online chess | wow Message: Cyrano really did challenge me to a game! I have probably never played against such a powerful chess force in my life! Wish me luck, I'll need it! ——— Dmitry Andreikin wins world junior title — The 49th World Junior Chess Championship ended Monday in Chotowa, Poland. Every country was invited to send its best young chess players, born in 1990 or later. The record field of 120 players, representing 55 countries, included 20 grandmasters and 34 IMs. Russian chess grandmasters Dmitry Andreikin, age 20, and Sanan Sjugirov, 17, shared first place with scores of 10-3. On tiebreak, Andreikin wins the gold medal. Andreikin had played in four previous World Juniors, with a best result of fourth place in 2007. This year, he was rated highest at 2650 and went undefeated despite facing eight GMs. Sjugirov won the most games (eight) but suffered one upset. Four chess players tied for ... |
| Posted by loreta uskidscompute.com 3/01/2003 23:01:46 Play online chess | Latvian gambit Message: Just to share the one trap I performed about a week ago... I'm 'black' 1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 f5 3. Bd3(?) fxe4 4. Bxe4 d5 I assume the game had been done there already... :-) It was continued anyway: 5. Bxh7 Rxh7 and so and so... But it was mainly realization of advantage... Thanx for attention ——— Rising Chess Stars Win NH Chess Tournament — In the end, youth was served, but barely. The NH tournament in the Netherlands ended Sunday in victory for the young team of “rising stars.” They edged the “experience” team 26 to 24. Last year the experience team won, 27.5 to 22.5. The chess tournament was organized under the Scheveningen system in which the members of each group play all the members of the other group twice. The top players for the rising stars were Hikaru Nakamura of the United States and Anish Giri of the Netherlands, who each scored 6 points. Giri was ahead of Nakamura before the last round, but he lost to Peter Heine Nielsen of Denmark, while Nakamura drew with Boris Gelfand of Israel, the top-ranked chess ... |
| Posted by loreta uskidscompute.com 3/01/2003 23:05:15 Play online chess | loreta Message: In addition, I'm new on this site, but anyway... you'd see a few Latvians g. in my games here :-) ——— A lesson in attacking play — A pawn sacrifice can be incredibly effective if executed properly. As attacking is our theme, that's the perfect excuse to feature a game by one of our favourite chess players, David Bronstein. Bronstein was a true romantic, valuing artistry above results, always prepared to have a hack at his opponent's king. This chess game is taken from our 2009 Book of the Year, The Sorcerer's Apprentice by David Bronstein & Tom Fürstenberg. We could have selected any one of dozens of ingenious attacks, but this one has a strong similarity to the manoeuvre in last week's game – though played 50 years earlier. Bronstein has sacrificed a mere pawn to activate his pieces and expose the enemy king. Crucially, ... |
| Posted by loreta uskidscompute.com 3/01/2003 23:13:21 Play online chess | Message: I saw it was a discusion about LG at: gameknot.com/fmsg/chess/1697.shtml ——— An Unusual Double: Husband and Wife Win French Chess Championships — Marriages among top chess players are not common, but they are not as rare as they once were because more women play chess now than did 20 or 30 years ago. Sometimes the marriages are between chess players of different nationalities, but once they marry and settle down, they often play in the championships of the same country — competing for the men’s and women’s titles. Under such circumstances, it is possible that a husband-wife team might win the national chess championships in the same year — becoming a country’s unofficial chess royalty. It happened in 2008 when Bartosz and Monika Socko swept the Polish chess championships, and in 1994 when ... |
| Posted by loreta uskidscompute.com 3/01/2003 23:27:57 Play online chess | Correction: Message: My mistake. I wanted to show this message: gameknot.com/fmsg/chess/1831.shtml |
| Posted by schachfruend uskidscompute.com 3/02/2003 09:00:20 Play online chess | Sorry Message: But the openng employed by Cyrano in the aforementioned game is The Dutch Defence. |
| Posted by a_professional_idiot uskidscompute.com 3/02/2003 09:35:18 Play online chess | both Message: Nf3-f5 is a Dutch, but after e4-e5 it is a latvian gambit |
| Posted by schachfruend uskidscompute.com 3/02/2003 09:54:50 Play online chess | Cyrano Message: responded with e5 to whites e4 to break up the center and to dislodge whites misplaced knight. Still makes it a Dutch defence. Latvian?/Dutch,? Cyrano is still a force to be reckoned with! |
| Posted by t0ned0g uskidscompute.com 3/02/2003 10:58:02 Play online chess | not a dutch.... Message: main line Latvian with exf5.....In no way shape or form is it a Dutch anymore! |
| Posted by schachfruend uskidscompute.com 3/02/2003 11:21:15 Play online chess | Question? Message: Does it matter what opening? What matters is that white was out played to the point of resignation. What matters is that the player with the black pieces was less concerned with opening theory and more concerned with playing chess!! |
| Posted by t0ned0g uskidscompute.com 3/02/2003 11:33:20 Play online chess | woah..... Message: Please,I meant no harm....just trying to help! Sorry! I won't open my mouth ever again! |
| Posted by honololou uskidscompute.com 3/02/2003 11:41:03 Play online chess | silly me Message: I thought opening theory was part of playing chess. Thanks for enlightening us all, shachfreund. |
| Posted by schachfruend uskidscompute.com 3/02/2003 11:51:40 Play online chess | Opening Theory? Message: Whose opening theory and what opening theory? Everyone these days is so concerned with what GM's are doing and how they play? Most chess play these days is based on someone that has played before you and I. If chess is to survive and progress we as a collective should use our brains to uplift our games past what opening theory prescribes. Just because Kasparov or Kramnik play a certain move does not lend credence to this particular line of play, ahem, they still lose don't they!!!! |
| Posted by aggropolis uskidscompute.com 3/02/2003 12:00:17 Play online chess | Schachfreund Message: You started correcting players which opening it was and when you were wrong you got aggressive and started a discussion about players not focusing on chess instead. There is no logic in that. |
| Posted by honololou uskidscompute.com 3/02/2003 12:04:47 Play online chess | unfortunately, shachfreund Message: not everyone is blessed with your natural chess ability. Personally, I find studying master games and opening theory very helpful to my understanding of the game. Much of it, I admit, goes over my head, but that does not prevent me from trying to improve my chess the only way I know how, by playing and studying. |
| Posted by schachfruend uskidscompute.com 3/02/2003 12:25:21 Play online chess | aggropolis first then honololu Message: aggropolis, Firstly, the defence discussed in the prescribed game is and will be immemorial a Dutch Defence. Secondly does it matter which defence we associate a name? The player with the black pieces was unconcerned with this limitation and played the appropriate moves to take the advantage, and that is the crux of that discussion. honololu. I love your wit! I wish I was born with a great and wonderful chessic gift I would not be working so hard at the paltry games that I extend myself to play. I work extremely hard at every game and at 24 games have over extended my abilites to the enth degree. My Father taught me this game after I pestered him relentlessly. I now know that I am far from naturally gifted! What chess gift I do have is patience and determination coupled with the time to realize both. Secondly, age brings about a certain cynicism which is really ego and knowledge. I would certainly not be where I am today if I didn't question the status quo. |
| Posted by ordinary_man uskidscompute.com 3/02/2003 12:52:48 Play online chess | A hard timne admitting when you are wrong Message: The opening is clearly a latvian gambit by transposition on move 2, any opening encyclopedia in the world would recognize the position as a latvian gambit position an dnot a dutch defense regardless of which names are used. white pawn on e4, white knight on f3, black pawn on e5 and f5 on move #2 is NOT A DUTCH DEFENSE. and, YES, IT IS IMPORTANT, because if tulkos recognized this opening, he could have grabbed an opening book, and played 3.Nxe5! which grabs the gambit panw and gives almost no compensation to black, it is widely known that this gambit is extremely dubious for black, and is virtually never seen at the professional level. of course given the wide gap between the tow opponent's playing levels in this game, Cyrano probably would have won anyway.....but THIS IS THE DUBIOUS OPENING KNOWN AS THE LATVIAN GAMBIT AND YES IT IS IMPORTANT WHICH OPENING YOU PLAY...TRY PLAYING 1.E4 G5 2.D4 F3 AS BLACK AND SEE WHERE IT GETS YOU!!! |
| Posted by a_professional_idiot uskidscompute.com 3/02/2003 13:02:09 Play online chess | Schachfreund Message: Why is opening theory important to know? Because the first few moves of any game have been mulled over for centuries and the best moves have been decided upon. It is because of opening theory that move orders such as e4-e5 Nf3-f6, or e4-f5 have been deemed useless and stupid. |
| Posted by aggropolis uskidscompute.com 3/02/2003 13:07:11 Play online chess | Well Schachfreund Message: Well ordinary_man wrote it. Dutch Defence is 1. d4 f5 and not 1. Nf3 f5, he also pointed out that it transposes to Latvian Gambit at move 2, not ever being Dutch. Ordinary_man. There are quite a few players on professional level who have played Latvian and I think black will get some compensation in form of initiative or the pawn back. |
| Posted by ordinary_man uskidscompute.com 3/02/2003 13:10:40 Play online chess | very true... Message: aggropolis , you are right I exaggerated a bit about how bad the LAtvian is, but it is bad! However, I admit when I am wrong and I back down that black gets no compensation....a strong player would be able to get the intiative or at least get a pawn back. I stand corrected. :) |
| Posted by t0ned0g uskidscompute.com 3/02/2003 13:30:00 Play online chess | thanks boys.... Message: nicely said boys.....she is surprising angry and aggressive for an aged person such as herself....I'm less aggressive and I'm a testerone filled 16 year old! |
| Posted by bishop_vlad uskidscompute.com 3/02/2003 13:38:13 Play online chess | guys and gals: Message: can't we all just get along? |
| Posted by schachfruend uskidscompute.com 3/02/2003 14:20:06 Play online chess | She? Message: I am delighted that you got my gender correct!! You are allowed to call me Mimi or Schachfruend. I thought it was mute whether this opening is a Latvian by transposition or a Dutch Defence? What was being said is Black was the superior exponent of the chess game. I meant not to be aggresive or a fuss budget but to make a logical point that it matters not the opening name but the user of the pieces. So don't diss me on chess, because despite my age I still have game, haha!!! Thanks everyone this was fun!! |
| Posted by t0ned0g uskidscompute.com 3/02/2003 14:34:03 Play online chess | ?? Message: Wow are you weird, you have a good sense of humor though......Did you paste a different head on that body or is that a bad photo depth? |
| Posted by honololou uskidscompute.com 3/02/2003 15:27:23 Play online chess | t0ned0g Message: With all due respect, let's try to keep the discussion on chess and not get personal. |
| Posted by tulkos uskidscompute.com 3/02/2003 16:15:32 Play online chess | Yes please t0nedog. Message: does anyone have any comments on the game beyond that 3.Nxe5 was the normal form of procedure? |
| Posted by t0ned0g uskidscompute.com 3/02/2003 17:48:20 Play online chess | sorry boys.... Message: I like 3.Bc4 against the Latvian, where 3..fe Ne5 gives white the initiative! |
| Posted by caldazar uskidscompute.com 3/04/2003 03:30:12 Play online chess | Message: While 3. Nxe5 is considered best according to theory, your choice of 3. exf5 is not at all bad. The idea then is to immediately attempt to exploit Black's weakened kingside using open lines. A sample try is: 1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 f5 (to use a more standard move order) 3. exf5 e4 4. Ne5 Nf6 5. Be2 (intending Bh5+ to upset Black's king; in a superficial way, similar to a plan that can be adopted by Black against the King's Gambit) Be7 (5... Bc5 is probably also worth considering) 6. Bh5+ Kf8 7. d4 with a fighting game ahead. |
| Posted by tulkos uskidscompute.com 3/04/2003 10:23:12 Play online chess | I see. Message: |
| Posted by tulkos uskidscompute.com 3/04/2003 10:23:13 Play online chess | I see. Message: |