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Posted by v_glorioso12
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9/07/2002
11:07:44
Subject: In the King's Indian

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In the King's Indian, when the move order is 1.d4 Nf6; 2.c4 d6; 3.Nc3 e5 why doesn't white take the pawn immediately? It looks like white would have a slightly better game after 4.dxe5 dxe5; 5.Qxd8+ Kxd8; 6.Bg5 Be7; 7.0-0-0+

i cant find the answer in any books, and i dont want to be unprepaired if white takes the pawn with 4.dxe5

thanx

Posted by philaretus
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9/07/2002
12:37:45
The opening moves you cite....

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.....are NOT the King's Indian Defence, but the OLD INDIAN DEFENCE. According to MCO-14, after 6...Nd7 7.Nf3 c6 8.0-0-0 Kc7 the game is equal. Whether you believe that is another matter. The recommended fourth move for White is 4.Nf3.

Posted by atrifix
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9/08/2002
10:02:44
The King's Inidan Defense

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runs 1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 g6 3. Nc3 Bg7. Often this continues 4. e4 d6 5. Nf3 0-0 6. Be2 e5, when white would get no advantage in trading on e5.
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Posted by pxpep
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9/08/2002
20:32:40


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1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 d6 3.Nc3 e5 4. dxe5 ?! dxe5 5. Qxd8+ Kxd8 6. Bg5 Nbd7
(This is better than 6...Be7. Also, 6...c6 7. Bxf6 gxf6 is O.K. for black)
7. O-O-O c6
(prevents Nd5 and prepares ...Kc7)
8. Nf3 Kc7
(Black's king is safe here)
9. e3
(9. a3 a5 or 9...Ng4; 9. e4 Bb4; relatively best is 9. Bxf6 gxf6 and black is equal)
9...Bb4
(Now after 10. Nb1 or 10. Bh4 (to defend f2) black has a slightly better game, but if white tries to win a pawn:)
10. Bxf6 Nxf6 11. Nxe5 Bxc3 12. bxc3 Ne4 13. Nd3 Be6
Black will capture 2 pawns

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Posted by swindel
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9/13/2002
03:00:49


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well, the main reason, which doesn't really need any lines to support it, is that the white pawn on c4 leaves a "hole" on d4, while the black c-pawn will go to c6 and defend d5. As a consequence, black has the possibility to put a knight (or another piece) on the strategically important square d4, while white cant do the same on d5...
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Posted by pxpep
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9/17/2002
00:17:55
swindel:

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With this move order, white avoids playing e2-e4, so there is no hole on d4.
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Posted by swindel
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9/18/2002
01:41:19


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okay, didn't notice the exact position. I was simply discussing the general type of queenless middle game. But even without e4 the c4 pawn is on a bad square, except maybe if white fiachettoes his light square bishop, but in that case d4 is still weak, and the black squares around the king will be vulnerable after white plays b3 because of the pressure on c4. It's just the type of position you need to feel instead of analyse with completely unforced lines, is my point...
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