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| Posted by poisonedpawn78 uskidscompute.com 9/04/2002 23:29:58 |  Subject: A Q for the top 10 people ....Message: ok i am currently going to be re-organising my opening repetiore . and i have this question to the people in the top 10 or those who are close to it .... What would you consider to be the 4 strongest openings for white , and the best defence to each of those openings for black ? please list the name of the opening if possible if not then list the first say 5 or 6 moves so i may find the opening I would greatly appreciate any help . Thanks PP |
| Posted by taoistlunatic uskidscompute.com 9/05/2002 17:18:32 | hey! I'll respond... Message: I am not the top ten, but I have researched this myself by looking up grandmaster statistics. The top openings for white are 1.d4 2.c4 3.Nf3 and 4.e4, of course black chooses which opening defense with his first move. The top defense for 1.d4 is the nimzo-indian 1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 e6 3.Nc3 Bb4, if your opponent won't enter into the nimzo, the queen's indian is also very strong for black. The top defense against 1.c4 is probably the symettrical variation 1.....c5 but it is well known to be a very drawish position. The same goes for 1.Nf3, 1...Nf6 is more solid than 1...d5, but it can also lead to drawish positions. by the way, 1.c4 and 1.Nf3 are the two highest statistically winning moves for grandmasters, but also they are among the highest for draws....this means of course that black actually wins very little against these opening moves at the proffessional level. The single strongest defense against 1.e4 is the sicilian defense....kan/taimanov variations 1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 e6 3.d4 cxd4 4.Nxd4 a6...etc. With black actually winning as much as white or perhaps more often! |
| Posted by tulkos uskidscompute.com 9/05/2002 21:21:55 | brunetti likes the kings gambit--- Message: and especially the variation of KG called the muzio gambit,at least thats what I have heard. |
| Posted by codebender uskidscompute.com 9/10/2002 18:09:00 | a related link Message: homepage.ntlworld.com/adam.bozon/stats.htm |
| Posted by bafverfeldt1981 uskidscompute.com 9/13/2002 06:16:02 | pp78 Message: I have started to reply this thread at least five times but then chose not to. I'm not sure but you are a high rated player and seems good so I doubt you wouldn't know the four opening moves that dominate chess (e4, d4, c4, Nf3) and their basic replies. So maybe you want something like: Strongest opening move according to me: 1. c4 Best reply: 1. ... c5 (Nc3 Nc6 g3 g6 Bg2 Bg7) 1. ... e5 (g3 Nf6 Bg2 Bc5 Nc3) Opening: 1. e4 Strongest reply to: 1. ... c6 (d4 d5 Nd2 dxe4 Nxe4 Bf5 Ng3 Bg6) My reply to: 1. ... Nf6 (e5 Nd5 d4 d6 c4 Nb6 f4 dxe5 fxe5) Is this more what you wanted? //oscar |
| Posted by poisonedpawn78 uskidscompute.com 9/13/2002 12:00:27 | bafverfeldt1981 Message: that is exactly what i wanted . i can check databases for the most used . i can check or research on the most winning and all that crap . i dont care about that . i wanted to know peoples opinions , and im glad you replied . thank you ! |
| Posted by bafverfeldt1981 uskidscompute.com 9/13/2002 18:19:50 | Ok Message: Then I know how you would like it. I'll take some time tomorrow and write you a message what I REALLY think ;). I do not wnat 100% of players here knowing what I like and do not like... |
| Posted by poisonedpawn78 uskidscompute.com 9/13/2002 19:24:47 | thanks baf .. Message: i really apreciate it . |
| Posted by atrifix uskidscompute.com 9/13/2002 20:48:51 | Message: I'm not anywhere near the top 10, but I'll give my opinion. My opening moves: 1. e4 (1. d4 rarely, on occasion) My replies to 1. e4: 1... e6 (response: 2. d3/2. d4 d5 3. Nd2 [3. Nc3 may be stronger]), 1... c5 (response: 2. Nf3 d6 3. d4) My replies to 1. d4: 1... Nf6 (2. c4 c5 3. d5 b5, 2... g6) , 1... d5 (2. c4 c6 3. Nf3 e6) Response to 1... c6: 2. d4 d5 3. exd5 (3. Nc3 is objectively stronger IMO) Response to 1... Nf6: 2. e5 Nd5 3. d4 d6 4. Nf3 Response to 1... e5: 2. Nf3 However, my general opinion on openings is that practically everything leads to equality now. A few lines are += or some such but Black can usually avoid these. Some openings have even been practically analyzed to a draw (e.g., the Najdorf Poisoned Pawn). So, asking what the 'strongest' opening is is ambiguous; chess is a draw, all you can do is try to optimize your pragmatic chances. For example, in the Alekhine Four Pawns Attack as mentioned by bafverfeldt, I feel that White takes unnecessary risks, as he is "playing for three results", whereas with 4. Nf3 IMO white has very little chance to lose, slightly increased chances of drawing, but still good chances to win. All this is IMO, but you'll find all kinds of greatly differing opinions even among the world's strongest; there are no 'strongest' openings. |
| Posted by nottop uskidscompute.com 9/13/2002 20:53:43 | Statistics and openings Message: Don't let statistics lead you wrong. They can be extremely misleading. Sometimes the games are not played by highly rated players. Sometimes a discovery is made that causes people to abandon a line - but in the history before the discovery the results were lobsided. There is a line like that in the KID - Samisch - where black makes a pawn sacrifice after Be3 (c5). The line is very good for black - fully equalizes at least. But the statistics don't show that. Better off looking at a few quality recent games by highly rated grandmasters than a ton of games played long ago or by weaker players. |
| Posted by triangulator uskidscompute.com 9/16/2002 07:59:53 | the best defence against e4 is c5!!!!!!!! Message: The sicilian has to be one of the more popular defences at all levels after about 1500. I have spoken to GM yuri Shulman and he says he plays the sicilian as black and d4 as white because he hates playing against c5. go sicilian!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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